[Schuppert3]

I just wish they would get rid of eye pipes. Fucking hate those things. I thought they would be really cool but now being a reflex owner for about 2 years i have come to hate them. Regular eyes and eye covers are just easier in the long run.

[Cookybiscuit]

The NT was bad and Dye should feel bad.

[alex5947]

erg993, on 23 August 2012 - 08:23 PM, said:

alex5947, on 23 August 2012 - 07:17 PM, said:

lol... I can just see Billy Wing doing a video next year " Yea umm for the 2013 DM we have a bunch of new features, we added some new grip pads for comfort, we added some new color ways, and a new trigger"

The DM line hasn't changed since the DM6, I wonder if they will actually do something new this year.

Not trying to start 'this' argument again (you guys know the one...), but if I do... no shits are given!

Flow plug - taken care of
Eype pipe/detent system
ASA - sleeker, straight port
Regulator
Board
Feedneck (I've used a Prophecy, Rotor, and Revy with no issues)
Tool-less grips
Trigger - improved bearings/technology
Back cap/sleeve
Color-coded o-rings (no, it's not a performance feature, but it's still a nice touch since so many people whine about the different o-rings on the bolt)

The bolt system works, I still don't see why people complain about a proven bolt system. They aren't hard to work on, they have just as many o-rings as any other spool on the market, and it's not like they have issues chopping paint. They shoot great... what more do you want?

The Ego line's chopping "issue" was fixed with the Cure 1... the Cure 2, 3, and 4 were improvements to the existing Cure bolt, but they weren't serious changes in the technology, but you're all OK with accepting them as major improvments. The Zick 1 and 2 for the Ego line and the LP Poppet for the Vice/G6R make a difference in shot quality, sure, but the Intimidator style markers are poppets, the DM is not a poppet. The QEV/Plank system for the Ego line was changed/improved upon, but again, the Matrix system works. The Geo and Clone bolt systems have been modified/changed, but they had serious room to improve shot quality and chopping/leaking issues respectively.

I think the most valid argument anybody has against the DM line is the yearly release, but honestly, how many of you buy a NEW marker every year? Sure, it cuts down the price in the used market, but again, how many of you buy new markers every year, and how many of you whore around used markers?

The DM line is already done right. Make sure you've lubed the bolt sail and tail o-rings, set your dwell somewhere between 17 and 21 ms, back your LPR out two turns, and then back out the LPR some more until you get the consistency you desire. Done.

All Bob Long markers require frequent checks with a pressure tester. The Luxe can be a nightmare if you don't know what you're doing. Older Egos have QEV's to mess with. The Ego 11 still shoots like a poppet. Geo 2's don't shoot as nice as the DM line. The NT can be all kinds of trouble. Tell me again why X, Y, and Z markers are perfect and the DM is garbage. The point is, you're never going to satisfy everybody, and EVERY marker has it's own flaws, has features that are undesirable to some people, or is lacking features that are desirable to some people.

Flow plug- ill give Dye that. I don't know what they were thinking with the asa in front haha

Eye pipe- honestly I dont think they are that great. They are easy to crack, and if they break you are shit out of luck until you get a new one. I liked the style they had in the dm6 better.

Asa- the new asa is pretty cool

Reg- I never noticed any major performance increases

Board- still shoots 12.5

Feedneck- the newer style dm feednecks are ok

Trigger- I have never liked dye triggers, ever

Tool less grips and back caps are always nice to have.

Everything dye has done is what I consider to be minor changes.

I should have said that there have been no major improvemts to the dm line. Look at the ego line, there have been major performance updates and you can tell when you shoot them. Shit Dye could even do their own version of the top hat mod. Just do something different!

How long have they been using the fuse bolt in their markers? They could at least make little changes to make the marker more efficient.

Hell I'd even be ok with Dye moving to the lpr to the front, and cutting down the height of the marker. That's is honestly the least appealing thing about the DM line in my opinion.

This post has been edited by alex5947: 24 August 2012 - 05:08 AM

[SamBo]

erg993, on 23 August 2012 - 08:23 PM, said:

alex5947, on 23 August 2012 - 07:17 PM, said:

lol... I can just see Billy Wing doing a video next year " Yea umm for the 2013 DM we have a bunch of new features, we added some new grip pads for comfort, we added some new color ways, and a new trigger"

The DM line hasn't changed since the DM6, I wonder if they will actually do something new this year.

Not trying to start 'this' argument again (you guys know the one...), but if I do... no shits are given!

Flow plug - taken care of
Eype pipe/detent system
ASA - sleeker, straight port
Regulator
Board
Feedneck (I've used a Prophecy, Rotor, and Revy with no issues)
Tool-less grips
Trigger - improved bearings/technology
Back cap/sleeve
Color-coded o-rings (no, it's not a performance feature, but it's still a nice touch since so many people whine about the different o-rings on the bolt)

The bolt system works, I still don't see why people complain about a proven bolt system. They aren't hard to work on, they have just as many o-rings as any other spool on the market, and it's not like they have issues chopping paint. They shoot great... what more do you want?

The Ego line's chopping "issue" was fixed with the Cure 1... the Cure 2, 3, and 4 were improvements to the existing Cure bolt, but they weren't serious changes in the technology, but you're all OK with accepting them as major improvments. The Zick 1 and 2 for the Ego line and the LP Poppet for the Vice/G6R make a difference in shot quality, sure, but the Intimidator style markers are poppets, the DM is not a poppet. The QEV/Plank system for the Ego line was changed/improved upon, but again, the Matrix system works. The Geo and Clone bolt systems have been modified/changed, but they had serious room to improve shot quality and chopping/leaking issues respectively.

I think the most valid argument anybody has against the DM line is the yearly release, but honestly, how many of you buy a NEW marker every year? Sure, it cuts down the price in the used market, but again, how many of you buy new markers every year, and how many of you whore around used markers?

The DM line is already done right. Make sure you've lubed the bolt sail and tail o-rings, set your dwell somewhere between 17 and 21 ms, back your LPR out two turns, and then back out the LPR some more until you get the consistency you desire. Done.

All Bob Long markers require frequent checks with a pressure tester. The Luxe can be a nightmare if you don't know what you're doing. Older Egos have QEV's to mess with. The Ego 11 still shoots like a poppet. Geo 2's don't shoot as nice as the DM line. The NT can be all kinds of trouble. Tell me again why X, Y, and Z markers are perfect and the DM is garbage. The point is, you're never going to satisfy everybody, and EVERY marker has it's own flaws, has features that are undesirable to some people, or is lacking features that are desirable to some people.

That's just flat out not true. Every time you take them apart. Prolly every 10 to 20 cases. Depending on if you go buy Bob Long's maintnence schedule or just every x amount of cases.

[slinkyaroo]

The only problem with DMs and PMs is that when they started becoming affordable as used markers people with no idea how to maintain them started to buy them up. That's when all the whining started about poor air effiency and reliability.

When people pay big money for a corvette they don't whine about fuel economy nor change the oil in their driveway with whatever is cheap. So it's no surprise when a kid moves from a 98c to a used DM6 that he'll have problems if he treats a DM like a Tippmann.

[AndrewH]

I personally think the NT is a very sexy gun.

[shutts67]

alex5947, on 24 August 2012 - 05:07 AM, said:

Hell I'd even be ok with Dye moving to the lpr to the front, and cutting down the height of the marker. That's is honestly the least appealing thing about the DM line in my opinion.

PM8.

[alex5947]

shutts67, on 25 August 2012 - 08:53 AM, said:

alex5947, on 24 August 2012 - 05:07 AM, said:

Hell I'd even be ok with Dye moving to the lpr to the front, and cutting down the height of the marker. That's is honestly the least appealing thing about the DM line in my opinion.

PM8.

That's why I said that, haha.

Dm6 and pm8 best guns dye has ever made.

[heylookitskarl]

I got an NT and I gotta say that the quality just isn't there

[TheTorontoRevelations]

Well The Dye Dm12 is the only main dye gun that is going to be keep upgrading. The lowered the price of the Dye nt11 because of the dm12. The nt11 is basically ended production. They are going to be focusing on the dm12 or the dm13 if it comes out

[bigschank]

alex5947, on 25 August 2012 - 10:09 AM, said:

shutts67, on 25 August 2012 - 08:53 AM, said:

alex5947, on 24 August 2012 - 05:07 AM, said:

Hell I'd even be ok with Dye moving to the lpr to the front, and cutting down the height of the marker. That's is honestly the least appealing thing about the DM line in my opinion.

PM8.

That's why I said that, haha.

Dm6 and pm8 best guns dye has ever made.

Why not the PM7? I love mine and with the techt bolt, hmmm, super soft and quiet.

[K1NGofTH3farW3ST]

I would like the nt(if dye brings it back later, which i hope they do) to bridge the gap between the mid and high end

This post has been edited by K1NGofTH3farW3ST: 26 August 2012 - 11:56 PM