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Posted 10 February 2011 - 09:27 PM

here you go kids:

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Posted 10 February 2011 - 10:03 PM

vid is up -
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Posted 10 February 2011 - 10:20 PM

wait so what happened on clean 2? lol. Standard deviation went all over the place aha

it seemed to break itself in over 4 cases then when you cleaned it, it went back up then continued down again.

Maybe it gets better the more you use it.

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Posted 10 February 2011 - 10:24 PM

Maybe it never gets better. That data sure doesn't indicate a trend line to me.

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Posted 10 February 2011 - 10:33 PM

View PostThe_Economist, on 10 February 2011 - 10:24 PM, said:

Maybe it never gets better. That data sure doesn't indicate a trend line to me.


first bit declines, then after the clean it spiked, then goes down. wish I could have seen the SD on the next 3 cases.
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Posted 11 February 2011 - 01:31 AM

cleaning seems to add more variability then usage ... what does that mean?
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Posted 11 February 2011 - 01:34 AM

Hm, not a bad amount of tests, though the results are quite confusing show no surefire results.
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Posted 11 February 2011 - 02:18 AM

I'd say Clean 2 was the only outlier. All the others seem to be pretty much within tolerances. If you look at the data, all of it jumps around from 6-8 fps in SD. That seems pretty normal to me.

What I'd like to know is why such high SD's? Where the averages used with paintballs instead of Reballs? I've yet to experience such high numbers with Reballs unless there was a mechanical problem.
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Posted 11 February 2011 - 07:47 AM

View PostLord Odin, on 11 February 2011 - 02:18 AM, said:

I'd say Clean 2 was the only outlier. All the others seem to be pretty much within tolerances. If you look at the data, all of it jumps around from 6-8 fps in SD. That seems pretty normal to me.

What I'd like to know is why such high SD's? Where the averages used with paintballs instead of Reballs? I've yet to experience such high numbers with Reballs unless there was a mechanical problem.


All chrono data is with real paint - and SDs of 6-8 are in what I would consider the normal range.
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Posted 11 February 2011 - 11:40 AM

Soooo in other words we're more confused now than we were before?
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Posted 11 February 2011 - 12:02 PM

View Postcockerpunk, on 11 February 2011 - 01:31 AM, said:

cleaning seems to add more variability then usage ... what does that mean?



Never clean it! kidding... kind of. To bad this test wasn't as straight forward as the G6R. That was just to easy...

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Posted 11 February 2011 - 01:04 PM

View PostLieutenantDan, on 11 February 2011 - 11:40 AM, said:

Soooo in other words we're more confused now than we were before?


I'm not confused, I have been thinking for a while now that break-in periods are a myth.

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 11:01 AM

yeah i always thought break in periods did not do much

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Posted 20 March 2011 - 06:39 AM

View PostThe_Economist, on 11 February 2011 - 01:04 PM, said:

View PostLieutenantDan, on 11 February 2011 - 11:40 AM, said:

Soooo in other words we're more confused now than we were before?


I'm not confused, I have been thinking for a while now that break-in periods are a myth.


I wonder if the "brake in" is more of a psychological nature then true brake in of the marker.
In the line of, people need to get used to and learn to use the marker.

And after you have tinkered with it a time, tuned it, adjusted it just right, it just feels that much better?

Or to ask in another way, what on a marker should have a need for a brake in?
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Posted 21 March 2011 - 04:15 PM

View PostLain, on 20 March 2011 - 06:39 AM, said:

Or to ask in another way, what on a marker should have a need for a brake in?


They say the o-rings and stuff. Truth is I have bought a brand new cci phantom, put on a barrel kit for a nice tight match, and I've gotten the best numbers you can get over the chrono. That alone to me proves there is no such thing as a break in period.

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 05:00 PM

Interesting stuff guys. I need to read the rest of these tests before I can make any semblance of meaningful contributions.
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Posted 07 July 2011 - 12:55 PM

wait... so this test means that the NT11 break in dosent effect the FPS over time or it will always fluctuate like that even after many cases?

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Posted 07 July 2011 - 01:22 PM

View Postcrazylot, on 07 July 2011 - 12:55 PM, said:

wait... so this test means that the NT11 break in dosent effect the FPS over time or it will always fluctuate like that even after many cases?


based on our testing cleaning the gun has as much or more impact as break in.
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