[azreal]

Short and sweet, any of the regs I tested would work well with anything in that pressure range. You might see a small FPS drop with some of them.

Also ignore sidewinder 31, need to rebuild it to remove that one.

If I was to choose the best among them, Fatty, 2liter, Planet Eclipse. Also going to give the CP a second run since I bet I was approaching 1.5k mark in the tank which is DEATH to any of the regs.

The most interesting results were not the regs themselves, they all did good to excellent. Of course granted this is on my gun, at ~245psi, your mileage may vary. Maybe in a few weeks I will grab an ion and some cheaper stock regs and throw them on there and do a test at sub 200 psi. I also did a test run with my poppet valve and the differences were a bit different, not as much of a downward spike and such so I decided to just test on a worst case scenario. IE 15bps on an spooler. If it could work well in that situation it would work well in most any.

Now what was the most interesting thing, tank pressure. Screw in tanks are horrendous when it comes recharge at around 1.5k and below. Of the 3 I have none have done that well below 1.5k, more testing to follow, I can generally only test 2 every two weeks so taking some time. I have a conquest and old manifold maxflo, going to see if they exhibit the same behavior. So short and sweet, if you drop down below 2k psi, fill up your tank!

http://www.ppog.org/...g/results.shtml

[brycelarson]

nice work man, I'll spend some time and then will prob have questions.

[azreal]

In terms of what low tank pressure can do take a look at this sidewinder graph at below 1.5k



To this one at above 2k

[Troy]

Errrr.... having trouble downloading the .CSV file. It looks to me (I'm trying to build a graph to confirm this) that some regs work better at different pressures. I think the fatty is the best example of this so far.

[slinkyaroo]

Can you compare high output and low output tanks? What did you use here?


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[azreal]

Troy, most definetly regs perform differently at different pressures. You can only make a good comparison among the groups, ie all the ones in the DM7 group, all the ones in the excalibur group.

Going to have tank regs on down the line.

Az

[Lord Odin]

azreal, on Mar 29 2009, 11:42 AM, said:

Troy, most definetly regs perform differently at different pressures. You can only make a good comparison among the groups, ie all the ones in the DM7 group, all the ones in the excalibur group.

Going to have tank regs on down the line.

Az

Az, do you plan on adding any HP (+400 psi) setups to be compared as well? So far, they appear to all be in the same vicinity of pressure. It seems like the differences in performance might be coming from how the marker utilizes the air.

Seeing how the Ninja tank regs perform would be pretty nice to see.

[azreal]

Eventually, I need to pick up a marker that shoots at 400psi, I have my cocker but I need something I can setup at 15bps full auto. Do any of the spyder-like markers run like that?

I talked with Ninja but they never got back with me.

This post has been edited by azreal: 29 March 2009 - 03:53 PM

[UV Halo]

I think a spyder with a very high performing LP valve, lightened hammer and a spring kit might get that low. If I remember correctly my tippy m98C with low pressure kit (no RT or cyclone) shot that low. I can't confirm for you now though.

EDIT: You'll need a Custom Pro with an electronic trigger upgrade for 15BPS though

This post has been edited by UV Halo: 29 March 2009 - 05:30 PM

[Z3R0]

Nice to see some results of the SST there. Looks like it performed pretty solid.

-Z3R0

[Troy]

azreal, on Mar 29 2009, 03:52 PM, said:

Eventually, I need to pick up a marker that shoots at 400psi, I have my cocker but I need something I can setup at 15bps full auto. Do any of the spyder-like markers run like that?

I talked with Ninja but they never got back with me.

Hmmm... if you can't find anything to borrow near you, then I might be willing to let you borrow my A5, it could be made to shoot that high (it's at 300psi currently). I would need some sort of collateral... but surely you'll be able to find something closer to home.

I'm in Oklahoma btw.

[Lord Odin]

Troy, on Mar 29 2009, 06:37 PM, said:

azreal, on Mar 29 2009, 03:52 PM, said:

Eventually, I need to pick up a marker that shoots at 400psi, I have my cocker but I need something I can setup at 15bps full auto. Do any of the spyder-like markers run like that?

I talked with Ninja but they never got back with me.

Hmmm... if you can't find anything to borrow near you, then I might be willing to let you borrow my A5, it could be made to shoot that high (it's at 300psi currently). I would need some sort of collateral... but surely you'll be able to find something closer to home.

I'm in Oklahoma btw.

Personally, I'd rather see a HP Tippmann or equivalent marker that is over 600 psi because there are quite a lot of people that don't go below that. Even below 400 psi is pushing it for a LPK (low pressure kit) on an A5/X7. I have enough spare parts to send my extra gun but I don't have an extra e-grip. You could keep that in mind for the test.

[Jack Wood]

Hi Matt,

Just an observation, but in the data you don't make it clear that some of the tests are with the tank pressure below 1.5k.

eg, if you scroll down the page, the first Ego8 reg test you come to shows the regulator REALLY sucking!! But there is no comment about the tank pressure. It just looks like the reg is crap.

As always, the testing is really good. But I think you need to spend a few minutes labeling and formatiing the data, and laying it out in an easy to follow form. At the moment it just jumps around all over the place, and there is no real explanation about what we are looking at.

Maybe a couple of pics of the set-up and the equipment used would be nice too.

Jack

[Jack Wood]

CrazyLittle, on Mar 30 2009, 11:37 AM, said:

This came from Pirate Mafia over on PBN:

Quote

A = pressure prior to shot, in PSI
B = lowest pressure during shot, in PSI
C = % pressure drop
D = recovery time 95% of pressure in MS


NAME / A / B / C / D

ACI bulldog / 710 / 487 / 31% / 122ms

Armageddon / 807 / 661 / 18% / 90ms

Centerflag / 801 / 675 / 16% / 14ms

Crossfire / 770 / 662 / 14% / 10ms

DYE throttle / 830 / 573 / 30% / 173ms

EVIL Scion / 556 / 472 / 15% / 18ms

Guerrilla Air Myth / 653 / 597 / 8% / 7ms

Ninja Paintball / 804 / 714 / 11% / 8ms

Pro Toyz / 804 / 508 / 26% / 41ms

Pure Energy / 840 / 724 / 14% / 10(30*)ms

WDP A.I.R. / 797 / 648 / 19% / 45ms

This was posted over in the Creepy Regs thread.

This list means nothing in the context we are talking about here. Really, the recovery and percentage drop need measuring across a range of tank pressures. For the results posted here, we have no idea what the tank pressure was for each test/reg.

What I can say for sure, is that there was no way that those are the fingures for a Pure Energy or Ninja reg with only 1300psi in the tank!!

[brycelarson]

Hit up Eric Wang at Azodin - that might get you a 15 bps, mid to low pressure gun.

[azreal]

Jack, yeah its on my todo list, actually to go through all the results and add more comments. I may get to it today at work if its quiet . The SST was good, but not defining like the 2liter was. Of course all the regs did adequate enough, some a bit more than others. I was even considering buying the one AKA sent me but I hate that lower fitting. The bulbousness of it.

[azreal]

Added comments, also I was wondering why it looked like crap. Then I remembered it needs the css style sheet, so now it looks much better, though still crappy

Let me know other suggestions/comments.

[Snipez4664]

azreal, on Mar 30 2009, 09:49 AM, said:

I was even considering buying the one AKA sent me but I hate that lower fitting. The bulbousness of it.

It's a very creepy reg.

[ktap]

UV Halo, on Mar 29 2009, 06:25 PM, said:

I think a spyder with a very high performing LP valve, lightened hammer and a spring kit might get that low. If I remember correctly my tippy m98C with low pressure kit (no RT or cyclone) shot that low. I can't confirm for you now though.

EDIT: You'll need a Custom Pro with an electronic trigger upgrade for 15BPS though

brycelarson, on Mar 30 2009, 08:04 AM, said:

Hit up Eric Wang at Azodin - that might get you a 15 bps, mid to low pressure gun.

both the azodin zenith and the spyder electra run at about 300-350 psi, i'm not sure if that's low enough for the testing bryce wants done. however if you go and talk to any of the locals (<GOD>, DFsniper, Lamorte, Mrpurplehawk, to name a few) over on the kingman pages on PBN you will find many custom spyders that run comfortably in the the 400psi range. LP setups have been a favorite mod on spyders for ages, and one can be done pretty quickly for about $100 if you already have a reg. Basically any spyder with a new valve, some home mods (mostly drilling larger air pathways) and a spring kit can get that low no problem, though it does take some spring tuning. Also for some strange reason almost all spyders are able to run at a lower pressure with CO2 instead of HPA.

[brycelarson]

yeah, the zenith is at 250-300 psi, but what does the blitz run at? The Kaos is a HP gun - I sweetspotted mine to 650.