[Zorozeenee]

Well first off i want this to be quick and clear. Jogging does burn fat (surprise surprise) but what it also does is gets rid of your muscles youve worked so hard to get. If you have problems with your weight please jog, but if youve built yourself i would strongly discourage it. My weight lifting instructor starting jogging. He is 250 and jacked and built. He lost 10 pounds and his brother also a weight lifting instructor, thought he was sick. But what he found out is that jogging very slowly doesnt detract from your muscles.
http://www.fitfastat...om/tag/jogging. Heres some proof for skeptical kids, seriously google it
http://www.davedrape...ing-cardio.html
http://www.buildingm...you-lose-muscle

Burned by your body for energy in order: carbs, fats, proteins

This post has been edited by Zorozeenee: 03 April 2012 - 12:25 AM

[andrewthewookie]

And you have testing to back this up, or just this story? There could be many different things contribution to that happening.

[Zorozeenee]

This is a simplified personal story. It has also been researched and proven, google it. Anyways its just not well known. But i want to be clear, if ir fat jog. If your big (as in muscles) dont

[andrewthewookie]

Um, you brought up the claims, so the burden of proof is on you. I remain skeptical. I was also unable to find anything about it on google.

This post has been edited by andrewthewookie: 02 April 2012 - 11:21 PM

[Zorozeenee]

I presented a personal story of my weight lifting instructor, if you dont want to listen then dont post the proof is in his story, why are distance runners skinny?

[Zorozeenee]

Here read how muscle tissues are wasted away by jogging
http://www.fitfastat...com/tag/jogging

[Zorozeenee]

Jogging burns fat and muscle, thats the problem

This post has been edited by Zorozeenee: 02 April 2012 - 11:44 PM

[Molybdenum]

I fail to see how jogging should be different from any other cardio activity. By this logic, cycling, distance swimming, and cross county skiing should also produce such an effect.

[andrewthewookie]

Firstly, I don't think you understand what the word proof means. You have no proof. You have a story in which no testing was done, no variables were taken out of the equation, and to which the possible reason was assumed.

Proof:
a : the cogency of evidence that compels acceptance by the mind of a truth or a fact
b : the process or an instance of establishing the validity of a statement especially by derivation from other statements in accordance with principles of reasoning

You have no facts or evidence, only an anecdotal story. Even if jogging were the cause, you still wouldn't have any actual proof that it was.


Also, I scoured Google, and your link was the only one that mentioned muscle loss from jogging. There was one site that mentioned muscle cannibalism, but that was from people on severe diets who had unhealthy weight loss.

Plus, if you're prepared to make claims, you have to be prepared to face criticism of those claims. That's how science/the world works.

This post has been edited by andrewthewookie: 02 April 2012 - 11:55 PM

[Zorozeenee]

Do u want me to find more sources? Cuz its so obvious when u come to think of it. All lomg distance runners are skinny. After fat has been burned your body burns muscle and there fore a loss in muscle mass

[andrewthewookie]

I'll just say this: they're skinny because they don't workout to build muscle. Anyone can be skinny without running or working out.

[Zorozeenee]

After fat has been burned your body will birns muscles

[Zorozeenee]

Molybdenum, on 02 April 2012 - 11:53 PM, said:

I fail to see how jogging should be different from any other cardio activity. By this logic, cycling, distance swimming, and cross county skiing should also produce such an effect.

They do, im not contrasting jogging with other cardio. You are correct, jogging is just the exercise my instructor did and lost muscle mass from.

[Distortion_UK]

read the article and I'm still skeptical. What qualifications does that guy have? where was his test. Ive looked for actually journals on this and nothing. I smell bullshit. Its just one guys opinion.

[Eskimo]

my question: If jogging removes muscle mass, What about sprinting? Cycling? swimming?
if all forms of Cardio are out then guys with large muscle masses are losing a MASSIVE advantage to their work outs.
Building muscle is fine and dandy, but if your heart still pumps like a sickly 5 year old in sick kids. those muscles will never be able to move to their potential.

[Toat]

"Burned by your body for energy in order: carbs, fats, proteins"

Ok, so it just comes down to what your goals are. If you are a body builder on a low fat diet on a strict lifting regiment...why would you want to go out and run a marathon? It's common sense. But if you are an overweight individual with fat to burn, jogging is the most effective activity to burn fat.

Grossly oversimplified claims like "jogging gets rid of your muscles" are just ignorant and easily misinterpreted by the general population, so in the end I don't really see the point of this post, unless you are speaking specifically to body builders.

[DarkSide]

your trainer must have been over training

[TechPB-Mike]

if you are already in amazing shape, you obviously have to been VERY careful about doing excessive amounts of cardio with a low body fat percentage, especially if your diet is right

Your body will burn muscle, just as quickly as it will burn fat.


For fat loss, I recommend running a balanced, calorie deficit diet, along with light cardio. This is what I did and lost 100+ pounds.


Very light cardio (walking, ping pong, etc), calorie deficient diet, weight came off

[Toat]

TechPB-Mike, on 03 April 2012 - 04:31 PM, said:

Very light cardio (paintball), calorie deficient diet, weight came off

fixed this for you

[jdatkinsn]

A lot of claims in this thread without any science.

Let's back up a touch. To think that at any one point in time your body is burning anything exclusively as a fuel source is nonsensical- everyone, regardless of how much they know about human endocrinology, can wrap their heads around this. You're never burning just fat or just muscle tissue or just glucose from the toast you had for breakfast. You're always burning some combination of the food you've eaten, your own body fat, ketone bodies (usually in transient amounts, but still) and, on occasion, muscle tissue.

You can look at lab measures of respiratory quotient to verify this- after a night's sleep, most peoples RQ lies between .80 and .84. An RQ of .69 is pure fat metabolism, and RQ of 1.0 is pure glucose. After a starch and sugar heavy meal you're probably in the .90 to .94 range, but you're still burning some body fat. Whether or not you're adding back even more is irrelevant to the fact that some is always being burned.

The next thing to consider is that jogging, even if it's for an hour or more, is inconsequential to the hormones in your body that actually regulate whether or not you lose fat. Weight loss is much more than a matter of energy balance- it's about your fasting insulin, your blood sugar, your thyroid hormones, etc. To think that some jogging a few times a week would have a meaningful effect absent dietary change is like think that you can permanently keep your heart rate at 180bpm just by running for half an hour. Yes, it elevates for a few minutes, but then homeostasis takes over. The running was inconsequential. Eat a bowl of oatmeal 30 minutes before your run and guess what you're burning? Oatmeal. Not muscle, not fat, not any statistically significant amount at least.

"It's science, google it" is not proof of a concept. Anyone who offers you that explanation and won't explain it to you themselves is probably wrong. Doesn't matter if you're talking about nutrition or astrophysics- if someone tells you "I just know, it's been proven", they're probably full of shit.