[Pump Player]

I need to start activating flame shields when I make this stuff

[o-baller]

Pump Player, on 26 October 2012 - 11:28 PM, said:

I need to start activating flame shields when I make this stuff

You could just not read it...

edit- just saw you made the post. Sorry It went so off topic, but did you get the info you wanted?

This post has been edited by o-baller: 26 October 2012 - 11:34 PM

[o-baller]

Pump Player, on 26 October 2012 - 11:28 PM, said:

I need to start activating flame shields when I make this stuff

Woops, double post noob

This post has been edited by o-baller: 26 October 2012 - 11:34 PM

[drg]

o-baller, on 26 October 2012 - 11:00 PM, said:

And how is saying a pump is outdated a false premise. Last I checked, a pump has no performance advantage but lots of disadvantages. Which is the reason we use them after all.

That's sort of like saying manual transmissions are outdated. Pump action is not outdated in the least, and arguably even less so than just a few years ago before the "resurgence" of pump started creating pump classes and pump-only type events. Pump is just another type of loading mechanism. It's no more outdated on paintball guns as it is on shotguns.

This post has been edited by drg: 27 October 2012 - 12:45 AM

[o-baller]

drg, on 27 October 2012 - 12:42 AM, said:

o-baller, on 26 October 2012 - 11:00 PM, said:

And how is saying a pump is outdated a false premise. Last I checked, a pump has no performance advantage but lots of disadvantages. Which is the reason we use them after all.

That's sort of like saying manual transmissions are outdated. Pump action is not outdated in the least, and arguably even less so than just a few years ago before the "resurgence" of pump started creating pump classes and pump-only type events. Pump is just another type of loading mechanism. It's no more outdated on paintball guns as it is on shotguns.

There are reasons that Shotguns are still pumps in many applications (bean bag rounds or something of that nature have lower charge amount and sometimes don't re-cock a semi-auto shotgun). There are no reasons for using in paintball save for the user to give himself a mechanical disadvantage (excluding pump only events, in which you must use one) and to save money.

Same with manual transmissions... they are only for fun anymore as automatics have become so good.

This post has been edited by o-baller: 27 October 2012 - 06:10 PM

[drg]

o-baller, on 27 October 2012 - 06:09 PM, said:

There are reasons that Shotguns are still pumps in many applications (bean bag rounds or something of that nature have lower charge amount and sometimes don't re-cock a semi-auto shotgun). There are no reasons for using in paintball save for the user to give himself a mechanical disadvantage (excluding pump only events, in which you must use one) and to save money.

Same with manual transmissions... they are only for fun anymore as automatics have become so good.

Boy this is really all going over your head isn't it?

[o-baller]

drg, on 28 October 2012 - 01:36 AM, said:

o-baller, on 27 October 2012 - 06:09 PM, said:

There are reasons that Shotguns are still pumps in many applications (bean bag rounds or something of that nature have lower charge amount and sometimes don't re-cock a semi-auto shotgun). There are no reasons for using in paintball save for the user to give himself a mechanical disadvantage (excluding pump only events, in which you must use one) and to save money.

Same with manual transmissions... they are only for fun anymore as automatics have become so good.

Boy this is really all going over your head isn't it?

I could say the same...

[drg]

o-baller, on 28 October 2012 - 07:00 PM, said:

drg, on 28 October 2012 - 01:36 AM, said:

o-baller, on 27 October 2012 - 06:09 PM, said:

There are reasons that Shotguns are still pumps in many applications (bean bag rounds or something of that nature have lower charge amount and sometimes don't re-cock a semi-auto shotgun). There are no reasons for using in paintball save for the user to give himself a mechanical disadvantage (excluding pump only events, in which you must use one) and to save money.

Same with manual transmissions... they are only for fun anymore as automatics have become so good.

Boy this is really all going over your head isn't it?

I could say the same...

About yourself. You keep making my point over and over, then trying to deny it. Especially that last one about manual transmissions. There should NEVER be a manual transmission more expensive than any auto, there's just NO REASON!

This post has been edited by drg: 29 October 2012 - 12:08 AM

[o-baller]

drg, on 29 October 2012 - 12:07 AM, said:

About yourself. You keep making my point over and over, then trying to deny it. Especially that last one about manual transmissions. There should NEVER be a manual transmission more expensive than any auto, there's just NO REASON!

Manuals are pointless now, its true. I did not, however say that there is no reason to have one. All cars (at least in the US) have enough power and torque that an automatic will keep it in the power-band well enough for everyday driving, which used to be the main argument against automatics among others. I did say that they are only for fun, which I completely stand by. The only uses for them now for an average person are in sports cars and offroading (and semi trucks perhaps, but that doesn't really apply to the average person as it is for work), otherwise known as fun activities.

When this theory is applied to paintball (albeit it isn't the best example by any means), it means to me that the mechs and electros now have become so good and reliable that the only reason you would use a pump is to enjoy the extra thrill of being at a mechanical disadvantage. Nobody uses a pump thinking that it gives them an advantage. In fact, it is quite the opposite. I know that I personally play pump to be at a mechanical disadvantage so as to challenge myself more than I otherwise would. So unless you have other reasons for using a pump I don't understand your point...

Edit- I've seen the light

This post has been edited by o-baller: 29 October 2012 - 04:58 PM

[drg]

o-baller, on 29 October 2012 - 12:10 PM, said:

Edit- I've seen the light

I hope you have ... it's kind of sad how you kept going on and on trying to salvage being completely wrong.

This post has been edited by drg: 30 October 2012 - 12:38 AM

[o-baller]

drg, on 30 October 2012 - 12:35 AM, said:

o-baller, on 29 October 2012 - 12:10 PM, said:

Edit- I've seen the light

I hope you have ... it's kind of sad how you kept going on and on trying to salvage being completely wrong.

Once again, I could say word for word the same to you sir. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

And for reference, you have once again taken a post of mine out of context, unless the image I posted under the comment was invisible. You could write for O'Reilly or Maher with that skill set.

This post has been edited by o-baller: 30 October 2012 - 05:26 AM

[drg]

o-baller, on 30 October 2012 - 05:23 AM, said:

Once again, I could say word for word the same to you sir.

You'd be wrong, like you have been the entire time. Bottom line is saying there's no reason to make high quality pumps and no justification for pump costs is silly, and just about everyone but you knows it.

This post has been edited by drg: 30 October 2012 - 02:13 PM

[o-baller]

drg, on 30 October 2012 - 02:11 PM, said:

o-baller, on 30 October 2012 - 05:23 AM, said:

Once again, I could say word for word the same to you sir.

You'd be wrong, like you have been the entire time. Bottom line is saying there's no reason to make high quality pumps and no justification for pump costs is silly, and just about everyone but you knows it.

That post explains why you and I disagree. You appear to have misunderstood me the whole time. The reason to make these pumps for companies is because there is a market. I like them, everyone in this section likes them. That was not my point. My point was that the only reason to buy a pump of such quality instead of a similarly priced electro is because you enjoy playing pump. Nowhere did I say either that pumps that cost $6-700 dollars are not worth their cost.

Have you even read anything that I have written? You appear to not even attempt to understand what I feel that I have said in multiple posts about this. I thought that I was very clear about the reason for making high quality pumps. So I'll say once again, the biggest (and in my opinion the only) reason to buy any pump, regardless of price, is because you enjoy playing pump.

If you have to ask why a pump is worth $600 bucks, then you should simply not buy it as you don't understand what playing pump is about. This is what I was referring to in my original post, when the guy asked if the revolution was worth the price increase over a phantom. I realize that it actually has higher production costs than a phantom, that much is clear to anyone with half a brain. So just stop with saying that. So, everything in your post is wrong, like it has been the entire time.

And in case you haven't noticed, nobody gives a shit what you or I think... and everybody but you knows it.

This post has been edited by o-baller: 30 October 2012 - 07:40 PM

[riddler]

internet arguments are silly.

paintball is just a hobby - enjoy your hobby however you want.

pump is not "outdated" - it's just another way to play the game. if mechanical disadvantage is fun for you, have at it!

monetary (or retail) value has no correlation with rate of fire, or fun. if you like $100 guns, great; if you prefer to spend a bit more for something you find to be a bit more polished, wonderful - have at it. collect what you want, shoot what you want. there's no need to justify your interests to anyone else.

different strokes for different folks and all that - as long as it shoots paint and you're having fun. do what's fun for you and live and let live, yo.

This post has been edited by riddler: 31 October 2012 - 11:04 AM

[The-Phantom]

sooo uhhh....

*awkward segway*


how bout that phantom revolution eh?! I heard it's going to be put into the MQ pump category and banned at some tournaments that don't allow MQ pumps

[drg]

The-Phantom, on 17 November 2012 - 10:47 AM, said:

how bout that phantom revolution eh?! I heard it's going to be put into the MQ pump category and banned at some tournaments that don't allow MQ pumps

lame.

which tournaments are those btw?

[misterkyle]

o-baller, on 29 October 2012 - 12:10 PM, said:

drg, on 29 October 2012 - 12:07 AM, said:

About yourself. You keep making my point over and over, then trying to deny it. Especially that last one about manual transmissions. There should NEVER be a manual transmission more expensive than any auto, there's just NO REASON!

Manuals are pointless now, its true. I did not, however say that there is no reason to have one. All cars (at least in the US) have enough power and torque that an automatic will keep it in the power-band well enough for everyday driving, which used to be the main argument against automatics among others. I did say that they are only for fun, which I completely stand by. The only uses for them now for an average person are in sports cars and offroading (and semi trucks perhaps, but that doesn't really apply to the average person as it is for work), otherwise known as fun activities.

silly boy, manuals make driving fun

This post has been edited by misterkyle: 20 November 2012 - 12:18 AM

[Pump Player]

that moment when you realize you started a paintball forum that ended in a debate about car transmissions.

[madsnipes]

Pump Player, on 20 November 2012 - 12:43 AM, said:

that moment when you realize you started a paintball forum that ended in a debate about car transmissions.

lol ya