[simplecomplexity1]

OK, let's get this started. First, DO NOT post a reply stating simply "Spyders are better". That just pisses everyone off. Give us actual reasons. WHY is Tippmann better than Spyder? Convince the other guys. Now, which is better: Tippmann or Spyder?

[Frenchy]

+Tippmann, reliability, modularity, looks.

+ Spyder, speedball-markers, cheaper, high ROF out of the box.

For woods and scenario Spyder cannot even compete.
For speedball Tippmann has nothing.

[Maj Tom]

The opperating systems while similar in function on Spyders have a tendency to jam due to the stacked-tube design. If either the bolt or hammer hit a dry spot or the tolerances are too loose one may cock itself slightly in the receiver putting anded friction to the system slowing it down or stoping it completly. Which is why these marker generally require more oil and goe through more o-rings than an in line setup.

[pbgunner93]

simplecomplexity1, on Sep 30 2008, 08:58 AM, said:

OK, let's get this started. First, DO NOT post a reply stating simply "Spyders are better". That just pisses everyone off. Give us actual reasons. WHY is Tippmann better than Spyder? Convince the other guys. Now, which is better: Tippmann or Spyder?

Tippmans are naturally guns made for woodsball and scenario play. They have the reliability, looks, upgrades, and feel that a true woodsball player would want in his gun.

Spyders are more for speedball they have better electronics and rof. But thne again Spyders arent that reliable, and dont have great accuracy.

Truthfully i play speedball and i would take a tippy with and egrip over a spyder anyday. But then again i havent tried spyders new line of guns like the 08 pilot and electra so spyder may have something there.

In the end it really comes down to personally prefrefference

[ktap]

spyders are better than tippy's because kingman actually has taken their markers somewhere. the 98 has always been the 98. internally it has barely changed, only a few outside aesthetics such as the addition of rails on the platinum series. the spyders have gone from the AMG which is basically an e-frame on a mech spyder, to the VS series, that are low pressure, have eyes etc, and finally to the 08 Electra, that basically comes completely ready to play: feedneck, on/off, eyes, magnetic trigger, PSP 3shot, lp, the works. tippman has just not moved anywhere. the cyclone and RT are progress, but not nearly on the scale spyder has had.

though tippy's have legendary reliability (look at the pro-carbine, you can drag it through a swamp with an atv and it would still shoot) spyders are not unreliable markers. actually they are very reliable because of their simplicity. you have one 0-ring to lube, that you can access in about 10 seconds, with no tools. and frankly if you can;t take care of your marker you shouldn't have one.

and lastly it is estimated that about 33% of all paintball players have bought a spyder. thats what i call huge market share.

[actionsports111]

Okay...
My first gun was a spyder imagine '04. It sucked balls! Out of the two years I had it, it shot well maybe 3-4 times. It chopped, had barrel breaks, constantly had to be fixed, and was over all a piece of crap. A few months ago I bough my step dad a tippmann 98. It is waaaaay better than the spyder. In 2-3 cases it has NEVER chopped one ball and hasn't had even one barrel break. It is super tough and reliable. Thats what I have concluded from my experience. Tippmann over Spyder.

[actionsports111]

I forgot to add. My spyder, even with a good electric loader never... NEVER shot a whole hopper full without having at least one chop.

[ktap]

the question is what kind of hopper were you using? agitated or force fed? because if you have blowback problems (as many spyders do) an agitated hopper will not work as well as a force feed as it does not physically force the ball down. also in your comparison you do not mention the fact that the imagine is electronic, ans can shoot up to 14bps i believe, and the tippmann is mech (unles you bought an e-grip or RT) which means you can't shoot much faster than 5 or 6 bps on a good day. the simple fact is that these two markers are not a good comparison because they have completely different performance.

[ktap]

EDIT: double post. please delete.

[jester]

MY tippmann after 4 years has never failed me. My ol' spyder xtra blew it's air line while I was screwing in the CO2. ( I switched over to N2, don't worry. lol) tippmanns are rock solid. That's why I love them. If your going to play airball with one, get a spyder.

[B.HOWELL]

IMO tippmanns are better. More reliable, dont chop as much, easier to take apart. Yes, spyders are better for speedball but if you really wanted to you could make a speedball 98 that could also be used for the woods. My tippmann has never broke down on me while my spyder always has something wrong. Theres my .02

[SHOOT3R]

FIRST, there is no speedball or woodsball gun. Just which one will perform reliably and consistently.

I think Tippmann's are better. I would take a 98 to a day of play before I would a Spyder. Why? Tippmann's are just cool.

Tippmann pistol FTW!

[ktap]

tippmann easier to take apart? are you joking? you can pop the internals out of a spyder in two movements that take 10 secs at the most. i doubt tippmanns have a tool less basic field strip that takes less than 10 sec. i've actualy popped out my bolt and pulled a squeegee through my spyder during a woodsball game. i doubt you could do that on a tippy.

[Capt. Kirk]

My first gun was a spyder sonix pro.... which i conceed, is a super low end spyder. but i'd still rather use my A-5 in a speedball game that that piece of crap. But in anythnig other than the woods, tippys are pretty much usless, even if they are better that a $100 paper weight spyder.

[jester]

"tippmann easier to take apart? are you joking? you can pop the internals out of a spyder in two movements that take 10 secs at the most. i doubt tippmanns have a tool less basic field strip that takes less than 10 sec. i've actualy popped out my bolt and pulled a squeegee through my spyder during a woodsball game. i doubt you could do that on a tippy. "
You wouldn't ever have to field strip a tippmann 98. lol

I've seen people play with rental 98c that are 7 years old and still working.

[Garlic Man]

Tippmann

My A5 has never failed me, and its quiet too (for a spring based high pressure poppet valve gun)
Ive used it (with many ups) in a division 2 tourney, and it blew away shockers dm5's, and ego6's. to this day, it is the backup to my proto m8

specs on a5-

maddog bolt
low pressure kit
egrip w/ ape board
dovetail adapter
cp asa
cp reg
j&j 16''
lightning rod
jcs duel trigger
vortex mod
ricochet r5

best gun for 150$

EDIT:
and yes, you can field strip one in 5 mins

[paintballfreak36]

i have both and i would say over all the tippman is better here is a comapison

tippy:durale,acurat,light,cool lookin,alot of upgrades
spyder:fast,light,cheap

if you are woodsball a tippy will be good if speed or air ball a spyder

[Th3 Stig22]

Spyder hands down imo.

[dagoober]

i would say they are about the same. i dont like either of em tho lol.

[Dylan]

ok now i have shot both i no witch one has better stuff ect.
i like the tippmann. i like it for itz looks, customization, accuracy, FLATLINE, E grip, and comfortable.
i have used a tippmann with cyclone feed sp barral and e grip and pwned people in speedball and woods
YES SPEEDBALL the E grip relly brings up the game in tippmanns so overall tippmann.

ok now for spyders not really that customizable with the machanical ones have a tonnn of kick i mean i sware i blink every time i shoot one of these thing not jokeing. on the other hand the electronic ones the rocking trigger amaizing super light pull although i head it has 2 contact points so you cant use it in torniments thats just what i heard though. i also dont like how i see every body with elbows on the spyders because of the feed neck. the gun overall is very reliable. it has cool color disine on some of them as the tippmanns really only come in black i gess because of the tippmann woods ball thing.
well thats my review and i go with tippmann all the way more bang for your buck cause you can turn it into anything you want