[cockerpunk]

range test video - http://www.youtube.c...h?v=JvcSTURgwrU

high speed video - http://www.youtube.c...h?v=WgLAK6OM5xM

data tables - http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=rcX...amp;output=html

[PrometheanFlame]

And your conclusion is...?

[PacosTacos88]

Perrty.

[Schven79]

FIRST and good stuff guys. My bros got a hammerhead.

Edit-While I was typing this you guys posted.

This post has been edited by Schven79: 25 June 2009 - 09:04 PM

[Magmoormaster]

I'm assuming that x and y is the spin... what's it measured in? And which way is which? For ssome reason, I'm never able to figure out your data sheets...

[cockerpunk]

the data sheets only cover the accuracy portion on the range. the spin has no data sheets. it merely is an observation tool to see what is happening.

This post has been edited by cockerpunk: 25 June 2009 - 09:29 PM

[PacosTacos88]

Hammerhead fails! Woot!

[devaldoog]

please correct me if your wrong but according to your data the CP outshot the Hammerheads in terms of accuracy/consistency

sorry not if your wrong, if i am wrong

[Ames]

devaldoog, on Jun 25 2009, 10:18 PM, said:

please correct me if your wrong but according to your data the CP outshot the Hammerheads in terms of accuracy/consistency

sorry not if your wrong, if i am wrong

i agree

[brycelarson]

devaldoog, on Jun 25 2009, 09:18 PM, said:

please correct me if your wrong but according to your data the CP outshot the Hammerheads in terms of accuracy/consistency

sorry not if your wrong, if i am wrong

I don't need to correct you.

[bigvin95]

Thanks guys.

This post has been edited by bigvin95: 25 June 2009 - 09:35 PM

[howudoin]

looks like hammer head is full of bull @#$#

[Jo Tesla Roy]

I guess hammerheads are better than, say tippmann barrels, but they are far from being an improvement on the current best (accuracy vs price) Custom Products barrels.

[cockerpunk]

it really is hard to beat the accuracy vs price ratio of a half decent stock barrel too.

IMO this shows pretty commandingly the idea that the hammerhead rifling or porting puts predictable and consistent spin on the paintball to be not true. as such, the barrel performs the same as every other barrel on the range - because it does the same thing as every other barrel.

[PrometheanFlame]

cockerpunk, on Jun 25 2009, 09:54 PM, said:

IMO this shows pretty commandingly the idea that the hammerhead rifling or porting puts predictable and consistent spin on the paintball to be not true. as such, the barrel performs the same as every other barrel on the range - because it does the same thing as every other barrel.

So, question: are you guys ever going to outright say that certain products are complete bullshit and that their claims warrant a false-advertising lawsuit? 'Cause, I mean...if you've got the science to back it up, a lawsuit or two might go a long way to fund future Punkworks projects. Y'know? Also, think about how much money Hammerhead is basically stealing from our oblivious community? Especially now that they've formally partnered with Tippmann. You say the word "rifling" to a mil-sim woodsballer with a Tippmann, and of course they're gonna drop that extra coin.

It doesn't seem right to let that stand.

[Ced]

TechPB and PunkWorks is about self-defense.

Tom Kaye said, when he stepped down: "To all of the players I want you to remember that its YOU who control this game and this industry. Treat it wisely and vote with your dollars so your kids can play along side you some day." This is the spirit. We do self-defense. We arm ourselves with information and reject companies bullshitting us. We will not be a new lawsuit-monger, bombarding companies out of business. But we will make people aware of the bullshit they are receiving - and let them decide if they want to swallow the crap or not.

[HeyHeyHey]

Ced, on Jun 26 2009, 01:30 AM, said:

TechPB and PunkWorks is about self-defense.

Tom Kaye said, when he stepped down: "To all of the players I want you to remember that its YOU who control this game and this industry. Treat it wisely and vote with your dollars so your kids can play along side you some day." This is the spirit. We do self-defense. We arm ourselves with information and reject companies bullshitting us. We will not be a new lawsuit-monger, bombarding companies out of business. But we will make people aware of the bullshit they are receiving - and let them decide if they want to swallow the crap or not.

yeah, he made a good point and we should stick by that

[Snipez4664]

PrometheanFlame, on Jun 26 2009, 01:37 AM, said:

cockerpunk, on Jun 25 2009, 09:54 PM, said:

IMO this shows pretty commandingly the idea that the hammerhead rifling or porting puts predictable and consistent spin on the paintball to be not true. as such, the barrel performs the same as every other barrel on the range - because it does the same thing as every other barrel.

So, question: are you guys ever going to outright say that certain products are complete bullshit and that their claims warrant a false-advertising lawsuit? 'Cause, I mean...if you've got the science to back it up, a lawsuit or two might go a long way to fund future Punkworks projects. Y'know? Also, think about how much money Hammerhead is basically stealing from our oblivious community? Especially now that they've formally partnered with Tippmann. You say the word "rifling" to a mil-sim woodsballer with a Tippmann, and of course they're gonna drop that extra coin.

It doesn't seem right to let that stand.

I think the correct tack is to be as neutral as possible. Present the information, leave the demagoguery to Mike et al.

[brycelarson]

I will answer questions honestly, I'll most likely drop a video of what I think later - but no, I have no reason to turn my life into a set of attacks on people. I've talked to Robert and Paul at Hammerhead - they're nice people. We just don't see the kind of performance they claim to have seen with their product. I have no dog in this fight - I'm acting as a neutral party. The minute I start to attack companies - that's when I've taken a side.

If I'm looking to disprove things - that means I would have already made up my mind about how the test results will come out - and believe me, that's the last thing I want to do. I was simply shooting the barrles and noting velocity. Gordon was simply noting impact point - there was no bias and I stand by our test.

In order to be able to continue to do this testing - we HAVE to stay impartial.

Now, does that mean we'll go easy on any company who is making claims we can't verify? No. There is a huge pile of money waiting for the company who can produce the product that does something different. We're here to make sure that when you choose to put that money in their hands - it's for a good reason.

[cockerpunk]

brycelarson, on Jun 26 2009, 07:33 AM, said:

We're here to make sure that when you choose to put that money in their hands - it's for a good reason.

that should go on the flyer. that is good stuff!

this is exactly right. we are here to inform the paintball public of what we find. we are a dual role of scientists and educators, not policemen.