[Llabtniap]

Lately (not on this forum) I have been posting VS threads with 2 products asking which is better. But when people reply to my thread, they say something that does not answer my question about the 2 products.

Examples:

Me: Should I get a Mini or a PMR?

D-bag that can't answer a question: Empire Axe


Me: Should I get a Ninja tank or an Empire tank?

D-bag that can't answer a question: Crossfire


Me: I want to get a loader for my mechanical marker, should I get a Tippmann SSL-200 or a Kingman Fasta?

D-bag that can't answer a question: Used Rotor

[PREDATOR 47]

I personally don't see the problem. Many of those "D-bags" are simply presenting a third option to you which can be considered an even better option than the two choices you brought up. Except for the crossfire tank. A Ninja tank is obviously better.

[andrewthewookie]

PREDATOR 47, on 05 February 2013 - 01:38 PM, said:

I personally don't see the problem. Many of those "D-bags" are simply presenting a third option to you which can be considered an even better option than the two choices you brought up. Except for the crossfire tank. A Ninja tank is obviously better.

Not if the "better" option is more expensive or simply not available to the person.

[PREDATOR 47]

andrewthewookie, on 05 February 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:

PREDATOR 47, on 05 February 2013 - 01:38 PM, said:

I personally don't see the problem. Many of those "D-bags" are simply presenting a third option to you which can be considered an even better option than the two choices you brought up. Except for the crossfire tank. A Ninja tank is obviously better.

Not if the "better" option is more expensive or simply not available to the person.

Yeah, I guess I wasn't clear enough. I was thinking more along the lines of why spend 325 for a new mini if you can get a used Axe, and you are okay with buying used.

[Llabtniap]

Yes and regardless of whether an option is better or not, it still isn't answering the question

[Old Dude PB]

I think one of the reasons versus threads get lousy responses is that very few people are qualified to give you a meaningful opinion. By "qualified," I mean having a lot of playing time with both guns, and having maintained both. Many respondents will tell you to get what they have...because it's what they have. Another group will repeat whatever the prevailing wisdom is on whatever forum you're reading. Some people will always recommend against a marker or brand, because they had a bad experience, or their friend had a bad experience, or because that one guy at the field, that one time, had such a hard time getting his going. Then you get a few people who actually know what they're talking about, but how can you tell which is which? The signal-to-noise ratio can be pretty low.

One approach that might work better would be to ask owners about their experiences. If you're looking at a PMR, post in the Proto forum, asking people to tell you about their experiences owning a PMR. Do the same in the Invert/Empire forum for the Mini. The more specific your questions are, the better.

[tallsmallboy44]

Nothing is forcing you to use a forum, if you don't like the responses, don't ask a question, and do the research on your own.

[TNpaintballer99]

I do this from time to time, but only if the product I am suggesting is better and in their price range. I do find it very annoying that every time that someone is comparing guns and asking which is better, someone throws in the Axe.

[andrewthewookie]

tallsmallboy44, on 05 February 2013 - 03:24 PM, said:

Nothing is forcing you to use a forum, if you don't like the responses, don't ask a question, and do the research on your own.

How much knowledge do you think there would be to research if no one ever asked anybody anything? Asking questions is doing research.

This post has been edited by andrewthewookie: 05 February 2013 - 03:30 PM

[TheGuy]

tallsmallboy44, on 05 February 2013 - 03:24 PM, said:

Nothing is forcing you to use a forum, if you don't like the responses, don't ask a question, and do the research on your own.

This.

Get out if you arent open to suggestions or help.

[andrewthewookie]

Really? You have the audacity to tell everyone else how the forums are supposed to be, and anyone who doesn't like it exactly the same way you do can just leave?

This post has been edited by andrewthewookie: 05 February 2013 - 05:51 PM

[Twinkletoes]

Ive seen this a lot as well. I think you should always FIRST answer the persons question and THEN add in your own opinion. From my point of view you can get your point across without making the person angry because they don't get an answer to their question. For example, Should I buy a tippmann 98 or Azodin Kaos for $500? You could respond, the kaos in my opinion would be the better buy because of the center feedneck so you can snapshot on both sides of a bunker, however theres a marker that offers more for your money such as the ect ect ect. That is a extreme example but in my eyes offers a fair compromise. People forget it seems to often that parents often control field money and whatever they say goes. What if the persons parents don't let him buy used markers online? What if they get more agitated by an online response to their form of parenting? What if Jimmy then cant play anymore paintball? We don't know peoples lives or their situations and it seems people jump to quickly without thinking of maybe other factors in Jimmys situation.

This post has been edited by Twinkletoes: 05 February 2013 - 06:56 PM

[Cookybiscuit]

Hey guess what, new players make shitty decisions. If they're picking between shit and shite, offer a C.

[junits15]

I'm with the op on this one, it's my gear and I've narrowed it down to two that I like. Plus the question isn't "what's the best X for the price?" it's "which is better X or Y?" It's frustrating as hell when people don't answer the question.

This post has been edited by junits15: 05 February 2013 - 08:00 PM

[Panda's Revenge]

Seriously, the OP has reasons as to why he doesn't want the options that you guys throw at him.
Mini Vs Extcy? Maybe he can't get an axe used, so he's asking which would be the better option.

[NBTIppy]

I agree with the OP, if the person has gotten far enough to narrow their choices down to a few, why on earth are you suggesting crap they don't want?

[Antonious]

That's an issue where the OP has to lay down the ground rules first.
If the OP says "These are my only two options and this why", people will more likely work within those parameters. But simply saying "x vs y", the OP is likely to get thrown other options because, according to those posting, there's no reason they can't consider their option.
The people who answer with another option do so for a reason. In their eyes, that option is superior to the others, and will remain so until they're presented with a reason as to why it wouldn't be.

[Soldier of Fortune]

Antonious, on 06 February 2013 - 11:38 PM, said:

That's an issue where the OP has to lay down the ground rules first.
If the OP says "These are my only two options and this why", people will more likely work within those parameters. But simply saying "x vs y", the OP is likely to get thrown other options because, according to those posting, there's no reason they can't consider their option.
The people who answer with another option do so for a reason. In their eyes, that option is superior to the others, and will remain so until they're presented with a reason as to why it wouldn't be.

Thank you kind sir!!! I did not want to have to write that all out.

The main reaction of users on TechPB is assuming the person asking the question has little to no knowledge of either platform. For all we know they could be some newb kid that wants it because it "looks cool". I have come to expect people on this forum to protect newer players from buying something when there are far better options in the price range. Should they explain their reasoning? Yes. Should they also explain which is the better choice between the 2 options? Yes. However if the OP wants to only pick between the 2 options presented then that is his responsibility to state that in his first post.

This post has been edited by Soldier of Fortune: 07 February 2013 - 12:23 AM

[Llabtniap]

Another annoying thing about this is when you ask about two products like Type of autococker A VS type of autococker B and everyone suggests a totally different type of marker like an electro pneumatic. Clearly the OP comparing the autocockers wants a mechanical gun. So why suggest something completely different even if its "better?"

This post has been edited by Llabtniap: 07 February 2013 - 01:17 PM

[andrewthewookie]

Soldier of Fortune, on 07 February 2013 - 12:23 AM, said:

However if the OP wants to only pick between the 2 options presented then that is his responsibility to state that in his first post.

That's not how it works. If you are presented with a question about two subjects, it is implied that the answer be about those two subjects. The OP doesn't have to set up parameters for you, the very fact that he listed those things in the question means he wants an answer about those things, not something else. If you start talking about something else, that is entirely your decision against what was outlined and implied in the original question.