[vijil]

So there's a milsim club here in my town who started off with RAM markers (.43 cal powderball) but have expanded to shoot pretty much anything including paintball MGs for heavy support, etc. - including .68 cal powderball.

Here's the rub: many of them don't bother with goggles at all, instead wearing unsealed airsoft glasses. I guess they think it looks cooler.
They do use minimum engagement distances and are pretty strict on gun safety, but seem to have no idea that paintball safety isn't quite the same as real gun safety. They've taken the attitude that each player is responsible for their own safety - if you don't want to war proper eyewear they wont make you. It's kind of annoying since I'd like to play some milsim/magfed and this is the only club in this city, but they are clowns.

Anyway what I'd like to see is what happens when a .68 cal paintball hits the lens of a pair of unsealed airsoft glasses. I understand that a shot near the lens is likely to send fragments under the glasses and into the eye, but what about a direct hit? Will they even stop it? Will the lens pop out?



^ note .68 cal ram shotgun, and dude with unsealed glasses. It's not just staged, that's how they play.

This post has been edited by vijil: 08 February 2013 - 04:31 AM

[XGC_Cheevo]

I highly doubt airsoft lenses will even come close to stopping a .68 paintball or any paintball for that matter. The energy from the mass of a paintball flying through the air at 200 mph versus an airsoft pellet isnt even close. The lens will just shatter and you'll not only have that but a paintball in your eye. I wouldn't play with them.

This post has been edited by XGC_Cheevo: 08 February 2013 - 09:44 AM

[cockerpunk]

easy one to test ...

[PREDATOR 47]

I would also avoid them. Even if they sign waivers acknowledging their stupidity, I wouldn't want to deal with an attempted lawsuit resulting from their need to look cool instead of being safe.

Those little glasses will not stop a paintball, much less stop the fragmentation. As soon as one of those guys takes a hit from a powderball to the mouth, nose, or ears, much less their eyes they will wear a mask. If not, they are dumb enough that their stupidity alone would keep me away.

It's all fun and games until someone takes their eye out.

[paintballguy2255]

Didn't they use goggles similar to these in the early years of the sport?

[madsnipes]

A field in my area has a lot of airsoft wakons at the same time as the paintball walkons, they always tell us "Don't shoot at that field over there because the airsoft guys are playing and its unsafe to shoot them with paintballs"

however another thing to consider is the velocity, what fps do they chronograph their guns at? if its only like 200 or something then it might be safe

[paintballguy2255]

some airsoft guns can shoot up to and past 500 fps.The goggles are good enough to stop them,and I think are rated for over 1000fps shots.

This post has been edited by paintballguy2255: 08 February 2013 - 03:42 PM

[Cookybiscuit]

paintballguy2255, on 08 February 2013 - 03:40 PM, said:

some airsoft guns can shoot up to and past 500 fps.The goggles are good enough to stop them,and I think are rated for over 1000fps shots.

Airsoft BB's might go twice as fast, but a paintball is 30x heavier.

[paintballguy2255]

Cookybiscuit, on 08 February 2013 - 06:21 PM, said:

paintballguy2255, on 08 February 2013 - 03:40 PM, said:

some airsoft guns can shoot up to and past 500 fps.The goggles are good enough to stop them,and I think are rated for over 1000fps shots.

Airsoft BB's might go twice as fast, but a paintball is 30x heavier.

Madsnipes asked what they chrono their guns at,and I told him some can go more than 2.5x his estimated speed of 200fps.And yes,a .68 caliber paintball at 300fps will do much more damage than a 6mm plastic pellet at roughly 500fps.

Also,there was this video that I can't find that showed this guy demonstrating these wire mesh goggles and how they were dangerous because they tore easily with only a few shots.

This post has been edited by paintballguy2255: 08 February 2013 - 09:44 PM

[Dakent]

Paintball
17.322mm (67cal)
Roughly 3.0 grams
280 fps

Airsoft
6mm
.2 to .3 grams
400fps ( I think that's what legit fields cap at with .2 gram bb's)


If airsoft glasses are rated for 1000fps they will most likely not hold up against a paintball.
Now, some airsofters use glasses that are made out ANSI Z87.1-2003 +, MCEPS/ Military Ballistics Impact Standard Glass.


Got bored and did a little research

[Panda's Revenge]

Dakent, on 08 February 2013 - 10:18 PM, said:

Now, some airsofters use glasses that are made out ANSI Z87.1-2003 +, MCEPS/ Military Ballistics Impact Standard Glass.


Got bored and did a little research

^that. most if not all airsoft fields require ANSI Z87.1 rated goggles, which happens to be the same as paintball goggles IIRC.
It's still gonna hurt like fuck since the glasses are sitting on your face.

[dustyshouri]

Am I the only one who tends to get hit in the face/mask/head every time I go out and play paintball?

Also comparing an airsoft pellet at 500fps to a paintball at 300fps is silly. I'm not all that great at physics, but I think to simply put it, the force of impact deals not only with velocity(fps in this case) but mass. A paintball weighs a lot more than an airsoft pellet, to the point even my crude math says an airsoft pellet traveling at 1000fps still doesn't compare to the force of a .68 paintball impact. However like I said, I'm not all that great at it so I really hope someone who knows their physics can come in and post the actual numbers of an airsoft impact vs paintball.

This post has been edited by dustyshouri: 09 February 2013 - 02:04 AM

[aj619]

All airsoft goggles have the same rating as paintball goggles they have to be for insurance purpose however I would still be wearing a full face mask for anything over 8mm (largest BB I've seen so far)
and yes those ESS goggles(at least they look like them) will stop a paintball I tested it personally cause I thought they were flimsy (the ESS are the ones the guy on the right in wearing)

[brycelarson]

Dakent, on 08 February 2013 - 10:18 PM, said:

Paintball
17.322mm (67cal)
Roughly 3.0 grams
280 fps

Airsoft
6mm
.2 to .3 grams
400fps

formula for kinetic energy is 1/2 mass x velocity^2

so:
Paint - .5 *.003 kg * 92 m/s ^2 = I'll round it off to 12 joules
Airsoft (worst case .3g and 600 fps) - .5 * .0003 kg * 185 m/s ^2 = 5 joules

so at the worst an airsoft round has less than half the energy of a paintball

dustyshouri, on 09 February 2013 - 01:47 AM, said:

Am I the only one who tends to get hit in the face/mask/head every time I go out and play paintball?

Same here. If you're doing things right you should be shot in the gun and mask more than anywhere else. The goal of playing bunkers is to expose as little as possible - which means an eye to see and a gun to shoot.

The safety standard for both lenses is the same as I understand it. I don't have any airsoft masks - but this is a simple test. Get a mask, shoot it - report back.

I suggest that before anyone makes any more declarative statements someone needs to collect some data.

This post has been edited by brycelarson: 09 February 2013 - 08:28 AM

[Panda's Revenge]

If I can find my old FlakJak goggles I'll test that.

[rntlee]

Heh

[cockerpunk]

why dont you try testing them? pretty simple ....

[vijil]

Don't have money to burn on stuff I'll just break. Also worth checking if others have any knowledge.

[Carolus Rex]

brycelarson, on 09 February 2013 - 08:27 AM, said:

Dakent, on 08 February 2013 - 10:18 PM, said:

Paintball
17.322mm (67cal)
Roughly 3.0 grams
280 fps

Airsoft
6mm
.2 to .3 grams
400fps

formula for kinetic energy is 1/2 mass x velocity^2

so:
Paint - .5 *.003 kg * 92 m/s ^2 = I'll round it off to 12 joules
Airsoft (worst case .3g and 600 fps) - .5 * .0003 kg * 185 m/s ^2 = 5 joules

so at the worst an airsoft round has less than half the energy of a paintball

dustyshouri, on 09 February 2013 - 01:47 AM, said:

Am I the only one who tends to get hit in the face/mask/head every time I go out and play paintball?

Same here. If you're doing things right you should be shot in the gun and mask more than anywhere else. The goal of playing bunkers is to expose as little as possible - which means an eye to see and a gun to shoot.

The safety standard for both lenses is the same as I understand it. I don't have any airsoft masks - but this is a simple test. Get a mask, shoot it - report back.

I suggest that before anyone makes any more declarative statements someone needs to collect some data.

But don't forget that the surface area of the BB is smaller than the paintballs which means that the force is focused on a smaller point. And the paintball breaks which spreads the force more on the surface.

[Blade of grass]

That won't change the force transfered.