[garrett.luksich]

okay, im done with having to defend the team over this bs.
Mike end this thread already.

if anyone has a problem with this come see me on the paintball field.

[Scheele]

TechPB-Mike, on 19 April 2011 - 08:25 AM, said:

Scheele, on 19 April 2011 - 12:47 AM, said:

TLDR; Mike. Be a fucking man.

We read this rule by Josh of the NCPA regarding eligbility, posted here-

http://www.pbnation....d.php?t=2071178

The link above is referenced in TWO locations, on the NCPA website. You can find the link here-

http://ncpapaintball...ationals/rules/

So in two places, it says-

In order to enter the field of competition a player must be a full-time student at the University (this means the school or campuses must have the same admission process). The primary exception for this is graduating seniors that do not need the full-time credit load to meet their graduation requirements.


We never caught the addition to the rule in the rulebook, because we didn't think we were going to have a problem with our seniors. The post above should be edited to say-

In order to enter the field of competition a player must be a full-time student at the University (this means the school or campuses must have the same admission process). The primary exception for this is graduating seniors that do not need the full-time credit load to meet their graduation requirements, BUT must have been full time the semester prior. Seniors who are graduating, with less than full time need to bring TWO enrollment verifications, this semester and the semester prior.

http://www.registrar...13_16_02_06.pdf

How can I "be a man" when the links provided on the NCPAPaintball.org website, in two locations, only gives you half the rule? Why should he have to go into full registration details about every exception when it's all laid out in the rulebook? It's pretty obvious that someone claiming to be a graduating student would need to produce more evidence of their enrollment. Otherwise any part-time student could claim to be graduating that year to get in. The other thing is that the other 60 teams didn't have any trouble finding and following that rule. Stop trying to make excuses and make sure you have your "i"s dotted for the next event.


You think I would have wasted my time and money, trying to sneak a team into the tournament? We have tournaments here in Florida every single week.

If Raehl wants to slam people with the rulebook like this, he needs to have EVERYTHING in concerns to the rules, posted in one location. Not half on the old website, half on the new website, some scattered on the forum, then the rest on a PDF. The PDF document is the rulebook. It's the final say on how things are. All the rules are clearly listed right there. You guys missed a section and ran into trouble. It happens and it sucks. You only look worse for bitching about the "man" trying to keep you down. You are making this harder than it has to be.

The point of all of this, is that he has the ability to make exceptions for teams and players as a league promoter. He bullied the team into dropping out of the event with threats of fines, suspensions and bans from the NCPA & APPA and treated the players with BRUTAL disrespect. Yes, he has the ability to make an exception for USF but there is no obligation. This is the one part were you are getting the shit end of the stick. You are a disliked by much of the paintball community. Him letting your team play even though they couldn't meet the requirements would have been catastrophic for the NCPA's PR.

Why? 12162 (Mike Phillips) was on the team

The problem is that he quickly realized that I don't make any of the decisions for the USF Club, it's not my club. I am just a student / member and I contribute to it.

We all know what happened here, BELIEVE ME everyone was warned well in advance

You said yourself that Techpb has been supporting the NCPA for years, and now all of a sudden it's a crappy league? Because you were caught on the wrong end of the rulebook? You didn't realize that NCPA's administration was useless before?

Every time something happens that you don't like you always play the "PBN is keeping me down" card. When I say be a man, I mean stop bitching, realize that you made a mistake and move on. Every time I see you go off because of something like this, I lose a lot of respect for you. If you keep acting like a whiny 8 year old kid then you aren't going to get anywhere. You want to earn respect you have to be the bigger man and stop all this BS.

Go ahead and close this thread. Prove to us that you can't take people arguing against you. What did you say makes this site better than PBN?

This post has been edited by Scheele: 19 April 2011 - 11:39 AM

[TechPB-Mike]

^^^ when did I say it was a crappy league?

Listen up Mr. Ontario who wasn't there, I'll stop all this "BS" when Chris gives the player's the refund he offered them to leave the event.

He still has the team's entry money in his pocket. Let me see how much of a "man" you act like after you lose thousands of dollars in entry, practice, paint, jerseys, hotel and other costs to get denied entry on a mis-communication of the rules. Do you know how many thousands upon thousands of dollars, this club spent preparing for this event?

More than you've probably spent in paintball in the past 5 years. Just the TEMPLATE, for the jerseys we had made for the NCPA was $200, plus the multiple meetings we had to have with the USF Athletics Office. Not to mention time off work to play the event, missed classes and such.

So I'll make you a deal "Mr Ontario who wasn't there", the day you get YOUR college to an NCPA event, is the day I'll "stop whining like an 8 year old". The challenges required to play an NCPA are 100 times harder than ANY standard paintball team.

Do you know how hard it is to get a college to recognize a paintball club, as an official club? Nope
Do you know how hard it is, to find 10 students who are active paintball players, with the money to play this event? Nope
Do you know how hard it is, to get approval to use your school's logo on the jersey? Nope
Do you know how hard it is, to read multiple websites (NCPA Old, NCPA New, PBNation plus other pdf's) to ensure your team is in compliance? Nope
Do you know how hard it is, to get a school to fund a paintball club to play in this event? Nope


No, all you know how to do, it hope in the middle of a situation that didn't even occur in your own country, to take shots at me.


So since you obviously don't know shit about what the club went through prior to this event, and at the event, why don't YOU just mind your business, and worry about shit that's taking place in Canada, and let me worry about what's taking place at MY college. Thanks Mr. Ontario

[chewiestmonkey]

Mike admited they made a mistake in interpreting the rule, since they saw the first part of the rule, which clearly seams to imply that they would be just fine...

Scheele i dont think you get that chris raehl bullied the usf team out of the event, when that really wasnt necessary. two team members had questionable enrollment, right? chris had many options to take that could have resulted in a stisfactory arrangement, but instead he threatened the whole team with fines! as of yet, since the team chose not to participate, they were never refunded, which is shit. they bullied the team out of the event, and kept all their money.

I'd be pissed too.

frankly what im saying scheele, is your being an ass, complaing about someone elses complaints.
retarded? yes.

[TechPB-Mike]

We're not trying to say we didn't make a mistake. First off, the USF club is a brand new club, they JUST recently got recognition from USF as a real club. This took endless amounts of hard work on behalf of the President, Vice President and other contributing members of the club.

Navigating the NCPA website is a nightmare.

I got an idea, let's play a game called "Is it in the rulebook?". Click the rulebook below, and let's get started-


http://ncpapaintball...PARules2010.pdf

Q) Where in the rules, does it say that you must stay at a hotel or face a $100/$200 fine (depending on if you are Class A, or AA)
A) It's not in the rules. It's listed on the website here- http://ncpapaintball...s/registration/

"Receipt from an official event hotel showing that you are paying the NCPA rate for that hotel, or $100 (Class AA) or $200 (Class A)"

Q) Where in the NCPA Rules, does it say that a player has the ability to use a "lifetime exception" one time, to play an event if he meets the posted criteria?
A) It doesn't. But, if you click this link which refers to PBNation-

http://www.pbnation....cpa+eligibility

You can read this unofficial rule change, again NOT posted in the official rulebook, -

- You've already played in the NCPA.
- You're playing on the same team you played on the last time
- You're enrolled in a degree program (you're admitted as a student, not just taking some classes)
- You have at least two full-time semesters at the school you're playing for (sorry, no Freshmen. That's also two semesters where the student was full-time, not two full-time semesters worth of credit.)
- You were enrolled full-time the previous semester (or on Co-Op or active duty or some such.)


Q) When clicking the link(s) for "Class A Enrollment Verification Process", where in the post on PBNation does it say that you needed to be a fulltime student the semester prior?
A) It doesn't. You have to read the rulebook, located in a different location to find the COMPLETE definition of the rule
NCPA Website >> Eligibility >> NCPA Game Rules - http://ncpapaintball...PARules2010.pdf



I can go on for days with this. Rules that are posted on the website, that are not in the rulebook. Rules in the rulebook, that are not fully communicated over at PBNation. Rules on PBNation, that are not posted on the website or the rulebook. You've got multiple sources of information, NCPA Old Website, NCPA New Website, Rulebook, & PBNation that are all giving little nuggets of information.


It's easy to just in the middle of the situation and call the USF Club "idiots" like Chris did for missing that rule in the rulebook. It's no one's fault that it happened, take it as a learning lesson, consolidate all the sources of information into one comprehensive rulebook, and only reference people to that.

Is missing one sentence, worth taking hundreds of dollars away from a college paintball club? This is just as much the NCPA's fault for not consolidating their information, as it ours for missing it.

Lesson learned, luckily most of the players on the USF team will be graduating after this semester. At least they now know for future events so the club (or anyone else) doesn't have to deal with what we did. Trust me, we would have much rather have been at home, at the beach, or studying for finals than chasing Chris around the event trying to get shit resolved at the last second.