[Pyrate Jim]

Far be it from Me that I argue semantics with the esteemed Dr Gonzo...

drg, on 10 March 2013 - 01:31 AM, said:

I will say that there appears to be no definitive proof either way, as the origins predate available resources.

Yeah, so do I.

This post has been edited by Pyrate Jim: 11 March 2013 - 05:04 PM

[drg]

This is not a question of semantics, it's of etymology, which is evidence-based. You have never presented any evidence to support your claim. It would be great if you did, but I don't think it exists. It simply makes no sense that this setup would have existed when you claim it did, the parts didn't exist yet. Then there is also no evidence that one term arose from the other, in fact the evidence we have says it didn't.

This post has been edited by drg: 14 March 2013 - 03:11 PM

[Pyrate Jim]

What you "think exists" is beyond me.
The truth is that the configuration currently know as Hawaiian Style used to be popularised as Island Style long before there was any ASA to be reversed.
That particular "Style" acually pre-dates Paintball as a game.

You didn't invent it, neither did I. It existed 5 decades before paintball as a game was even conceived.
(according to the US patent Office)

Never mind the fact that I've been playing paintball for 25 years, the past 12 years I've been running the Paintball Marshals' Museum of Paintball History, and have been researching the roots of paintball for several decades..
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It's still a fact that this obscure corner of the U.S. is where paintball started, We were playing paintball out here for years before it hit the West Coast or Hawaii. Several fields locally have celebrated their 30th anniversary, which cannot be said anywhere else in this Country.
Up here "off the radar" we held the very first paintball game, the very first paintball tournament ever, the first "scenario" game format, and the first World Cup international competition back in 1984.
These are also a matter of historical fact. Not a matter of "revisionist" history.
I've had many great times chatting with people like Caleb Strong, Jim Lively, Bob Gurnsey, Jerry Braun, Jim Ioulo, Paul Fogel, Debra Dion, Glenn Palmer, Tom Kaye, Renee Bouchard...
So many stories by people who were instrumental in making paintball what it is today.
So many stories that give me the basis of my information.

Very few of these stories have documented verification.
Yet they repeatedly tell the same story.

I collect these stories from the people who were actually there, and I occasionally repeat them online.
The fact that it is a verbal history and not some wikipedia excerpt with no documentation does not negate the fact that this is what people who know the the truth have told me over the years.

I don't care about nomenclature, call it Hawaiian if you insist.
The truth is still the truth.

[drg]

I'm sorry but that sounds like a lot of hot air. Oral history is a great thing but having also been in the sport for 25 years what I have learned is a lot of nonsense was "known" to be the truth back in the day, and till today old timers believe things are true that are proven false. And you can't tell them otherwise.

That patent thing you keep bringing up is total bunk. You are claiming this is prior art for Hawaiian style?



That looks like prior art for "Sheridan style" if anything.

Is this what you're talking about when you say Island style?

[The Inflicted]

As far as the possible advantages of Hawaiian style...
With a stock class Phantom the feedtube faces towards the player, so the gun is rocked barrel-downwards to load the next ball.
If the gun is configured with the tank facing forward off the grip, this means that most of the time the tank will either be held level, or oriented valve-up.
Won't this serve to help prevent liquid from entering the gun?

[1shot]

I run one of my VSC Phantoms Hawaiian during the winter with a 13cc tank. This way I don't have to change my stock and I don't have a long tank pointing straight down into the snow. Surprising to me was that the forward weight balanced the Phantom nicely.