[drg]

andrewthewookie, on 26 September 2012 - 10:53 PM, said:

Just because they didn't test every grade of paint conceivable doesn't diminish the conclusion of the field grade. We can say that the barrel does not seem to provide any accuracy advantage over any other barrels with "standard" paint, that's just what it is. Nobody's made any conclusions about what this would do with high quality paint, only whether or not it's a useful product to the paintball masses. If we have to tailor the paint to the barrel, well then that's an entirely different matter.

This is usually about the point, well actually this is usually well beyond the point, at which I say Punkworks and cockerpunk in particular overstated the data. But I have learned that this is a lost cause. This is also why I would probably never send something to them to test that would not 100% guaranteed return unmissable results vs existing equipment.

I have noticed over time that there's nothing punkworks likes more than to be paradigm-breaking, and to create new paradigms which they are then loath to see broken. So if you are talking about shades of grey, especially really really fine shades of grey like barrels have, you risk running afoul of their disdain for the pedestrian or worse yet, their defensiveness of the paradigms they have created. In these situations, IMO there is no benefit to punkworks testing other than as an attempt to get free advertising. And in that case, you live and die by the sword.

FWIW I shoot tournament quality paint every weekend if I can help it (ultra evil). It would be interesting to me if a barrel shot those balls better than others. Trouble is even tournament quality paint isn't always all that round.

This post has been edited by drg: 28 September 2012 - 01:59 AM

[cockerpunk]

where have i overstated the data?

and drg, im also tired of your accusations and general bull shit. if you don't think we are doing science here, then you can leave.

[lovebunny]

i love it when nerds fight

[Jack Rice]

cockerpunk, on 25 September 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:

i asked jack rice very specifically what paint and what paint to barrel match to use to best produce his backspin. so we could test it.

Really? You are going to - years later - drag my name back into a discussion.
"You were sayin' something about "best intentions"? What's the matter? Oh, you were finished? Oh, well, allow me to retort. Samuel L Jackson: Pulp Fiction
I said that paint can alter the results.
You said you would use several different paints and different barrels.
I offered no suggestions, rather that I was confident that "if " you tried several paints your results would match the videos I made.
You then said the results were not the same and said that you only used one paint. No video has ever shown the gun shooting the results you say happened.

[naterab]

Jack Rice, on 04 October 2012 - 01:43 PM, said:

cockerpunk, on 25 September 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:

i asked jack rice very specifically what paint and what paint to barrel match to use to best produce his backspin. so we could test it.

Really? You are going to - years later - drag my name back into a discussion.
"You were sayin' something about "best intentions"? What's the matter? Oh, you were finished? Oh, well, allow me to retort. Samuel L Jackson: Pulp Fiction
I said that paint can alter the results.
You said you would use several different paints and different barrels.
I offered no suggestions, rather that I was confident that "if " you tried several paints your results would match the videos I made.
You then said the results were not the same and said that you only used one paint. No video has ever shown the gun shooting the results you say happened.

*bookmarks thread*

[cockerpunk]

Jack Rice, on 04 October 2012 - 01:43 PM, said:

cockerpunk, on 25 September 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:

i asked jack rice very specifically what paint and what paint to barrel match to use to best produce his backspin. so we could test it.

Really? You are going to - years later - drag my name back into a discussion.
"You were sayin' something about "best intentions"? What's the matter? Oh, you were finished? Oh, well, allow me to retort. Samuel L Jackson: Pulp Fiction
I said that paint can alter the results.
You said you would use several different paints and different barrels.
I offered no suggestions, rather that I was confident that "if " you tried several paints your results would match the videos I made.
You then said the results were not the same and said that you only used one paint. No video has ever shown the gun shooting the results you say happened.

im not going to have another argument with you about our phone conversations. i know what i said and why i said it.

[Demon]

seems like all jack comes on here to do is argue for himself lol. but it is entertaining so why not? rofl

[Jack Rice]

cockerpunk, on 25 September 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:

...im not going to have another argument with you about ...

Easy enough: Don't want to argue: Don't make "quotes", stick them into threads and give them credibility by attaching my name to them.

[gibbeepbroxzor]

Not saying Gordon is right or wrong, or that Jack is right or wrong (about the science), but don't give Jack shit for coming into this thread lol... If hes going to be talked about, he has every right to defend his position. Honestly though, let bygones be bygones. It seems like a ton of stuff in this subforum has become a battle of Punkworks VS drg, or Jack Rice, or whoever else has a differing opinion.. and it gets pretty intense. I'd rather come here for the science, and honest speculation. Not arguments. Punkworks finds what they find. They obviously don't have the time, money, or effort to test EVERY SINGLE VARIABLE for every test they do. They aren't getting paid to do it. They have adult lives. Understand the conditions their tests under go, and take the data with a grain of salt. No need for everyone to start shit, this isn't for personal attacks, seriously, there have been too many threads closed for this kinda shit.