[thegreg]

Found this article on the mainpage of Digg. This is truly horrendous...

Police officers in Chechnya have been firing paintballs at Chechen women with uncovered hair; the policemen drive by in cars with tinted windows and shoot the women in the face and neck as they're walking down the street. Following the initial attacks last week, fliers from the shooters appeared in the Chechen city of Gudermes warning that if women didn't cover themselves the paintballers would resort to "tougher measures." The fliers also admonished, "Isn't it nasty for you, while dressed defiantly, with your head uncovered, to hear various obscene 'compliments' and proposals? Think again!"

This infuriating and degrading development — shooting women with paint?! — is one result of Russia's cold bargain with Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov, a Chechen rebel-turned-Kremlin-loyalist. Trying to maintain control over Chechnya and quash any separatist uprisings, Russia has essentially allowed Kadryov to run the Chechen republic according to his version of Islamic law.

Russia has turned the other cheek as Kadryov gathers thousands of men into a personal militia to enforce bans on alcohol and mandatory headscarves for women. This method of enforcement via paintballing is particularly abhorrent — both violent and humiliating, a form of subtle terror aimed at forcing women into subjugation.

Human rights activist Lyudmila Alexeyeva told Reuters, "this paintballing is an obvious Kadyrov rule just used to strengthen and tighten his grip over his tiny republic." Shooting women with paint in the face on the street and filming it on mobile phones, then, is apparently this man's idea of strengthening power. This is an alarming sign of the increasing oppression of women in Chechnya that the international community needs to speak out about immediately, chastising both Kadyrov and the government in Moscow for violent violations of women's rights and dignity.




Heres the original link: http://womensrights...._uncovered_hair

[ConradNorCal]

interesting

makes me glad I live stateside

This post has been edited by ConradNorCal: 28 June 2010 - 05:00 PM

[Camo]

Thats really fucked up.

[Miss_Hell]

And somehow Americans are intolerant

You work that down do chechnian girls!

[TechPB-Mike]

read this on the link-

"The belief that women must be covered is an explicit admission that Islam does not equip men with the necessary tools of faith to allow them to resist the temptation posed by women, who look they way they do because Allah created them that way--and should be celebrated as one of His most beautiful creations."

People who act this way have no clue that their actions are an insult to their own religion. I see acts like this, not as acts of religion, but of violence hidden behind religion.

People are using their religion as a instrument of oppression. If Islam never existed, these people would be acting the EXACT same way, using some other form of worship or belief to oppress women.

I see violence against women in that article, and a society who's willing to put up with it.

Police or not, someone rolls up and starts shooting my wife or daughters in the face with a paintball gun, would get a hot one right through the chest.

Violence against the defenseless, that's all this is. Absolutely sickening

[Awesomeguy512]

Ive always thougt that, Mike. Anyone else?

[Plattypus]

That's fucking bullshit, I completely agree with Mike.

[ConradNorCal]

TechPB-Mike, on 28 June 2010 - 06:52 PM, said:

People who act this way have no clue that their actions are an insult to their own religion. I see acts like this, not as acts of religion, but of violence hidden behind religion.

Their is a lot of confusion amongst Americans when it comes to the Islamic religion. Politicians are always saying that Islam is not a violent religion and that terrorists and followers of Sharia law are bastardizing Islam. This really isn't true, Islam in its earliest beginnings was an incredibly violent and oppressive religion.

The first half of the Q'uran may sound peaceful enough, but the second half shows another goal of Islam. Spread Islam to engulf the globe. Those who do not convert are either killed or "tolerated". Islamic toleration consisted of anything from higher taxes, career retardation, sectioned off ghettoes, boy tribute to man the Janissaries (bad ass assassins), to raiding parties for women, and to outright enslavement. Mohammed himself conquered nearly the whole of the Arabian peninsula at sword point around 662.

Sharia translates to "way" or "path".....All Muslims believe Sharia is God's law, but they have differences between themselves as to exactly what it entails. Modernists, traditionalists and fundamentalists all hold different views of Sharia, as do adherents to different schools of Islamic thought and scholarship. Different countries and cultures have varying interpretations of Sharia, as well. Although there are many different interpretations of Sharia, and differing perspectives on each interpretation, there is consensus among Muslims that Sharia is a reflection of God's will for humankind. Sharia must therefore be, in its purest sense, perfect and unchanging. The evolution or refinement of Sharia is an effort to more perfectly reflect God's will. Unfortunately, Sharia law has drastically changed throughout the last 1400 years or so likely do to confusion between differentiating between Sharia law and common law.

However, Sharia law and violence are very much a part of Islam. I'm not picking on Islam, I have lots of friends who frequently attend Mosque and we love to debate this subject in the car or through AIM.

It should also be noted the really all religions have violent histories (Christian crusades, Jewish Diaspora,etc)

I guess I'm just sick of hearing politicians (not saying you are Mike) try and get the Muslim vote and appear to be "PC" to the public by falsifying core principles of the Islamic religion and renouncing violence as a non-Islamic trait, when in reality violence is a human trait and cannot simply be applied or not applied to an ethnic group, religion, or country alone.

/end

This post has been edited by ConradNorCal: 28 June 2010 - 11:20 PM

[sticktodrum]

TechPB-Mike, on 28 June 2010 - 06:52 PM, said:

People who act this way have no clue that their actions are an insult to their own religion. I see acts like this, not as acts of religion, but of violence hidden behind religion.

This isn't 100% true. Most people like to think it is, but the truth is that these people aren't entirely evil. Steven Weinberg (a prominent physicist) said very accurately that bad people can do evil, but for good people to do evil, that takes religion.

I really don't think that every man in these countries that embrace these beliefs are all evil pricks that would do these things no matter what. It's a bit foolish to think that. Actually, it's really foolish to think that. Millions and millions of men, all in these countries, are evil? Hardly.

Most of them are regular people, following customs that they were brought up with. It's enough with this blaming of the people for everything. They do these things precisely because they belief they have divine permission. That is why.

It's easy to point the finger at people, because everyone feels comfortable doing that. Unfortunately, no one seems to want to do the more difficult task in saying that these people are not entirely at fault.

[ConradNorCal]

sticktodrum, on 29 June 2010 - 12:21 AM, said:

Steven Weinberg said very accurately that bad people can do evil, but for good people to do evil, that takes religion.

thats definitely sig worthy

[FacePainter]

I'd like to make a comment, but I have a view on the contrary to many others about religion, and this isn't a religion thread nor a place to post anything about religion. So I'll hold from posting my views.

[ConradNorCal]

FacePainter, on 29 June 2010 - 12:27 AM, said:

I'd like to make a comment, but I have a view on the contrary to many others about religion, and this isn't a religion thread nor a place to post anything about religion. So I'll hold from posting my views.

I don't think anyone would trip if you said what you wanted.

This post has been edited by ConradNorCal: 29 June 2010 - 12:29 AM

[FacePainter]

Oh, I've seen where threads like this turn out, and yes. People do trip. It's a public forum, there is always someone who takes offense.

[Tor]

Who cares? Look at Sticktodrum up there

[ConradNorCal]

FacePainter, on 29 June 2010 - 12:35 AM, said:

Oh, I've seen where threads like this turn out, and yes. People do trip. It's a public forum, there is always someone who takes offense.

eh, I get called a troll all the time for posting anti-religious material on the interwebz, I just think, "haterz gonna hate" and proceed to listen to "Move Bitch" by Ludicrous at a stupidly high volume.....

[FacePainter]

Hehe, once again, the OP on this thread made no comment towards religion, so I won't either.

[sticktodrum]

FacePainter, on 29 June 2010 - 12:41 AM, said:

Hehe, once again, the OP on this thread made no comment towards religion, so I won't either.

Well Mike did, so I corrected his somewhat inaccurate assessment.

[thegreg]

I feel like the article makes enough of a comment on religion. Why restate the obvious? Clearly Chechneya is completely ass-backwards and its unfortunate that this clear abuse of our prefered sport will in all likely hood end up reflecting poorly on us as a community.

[sticktodrum]

thegreg, on 29 June 2010 - 12:55 AM, said:

in all likely hood end up reflecting poorly on us as a community.

Hrmmm, that's pretty doubtful actually.

[fsugonoles63]

sticktodrum, on 29 June 2010 - 12:58 AM, said:

thegreg, on 29 June 2010 - 12:55 AM, said:

in all likely hood end up reflecting poorly on us as a community.

Hrmmm, that's pretty doubtful actually.

So far religion is the only one getting reflected poorly upon