[paintballguy2255]

Unfated33, on 06 July 2012 - 04:13 AM, said:

paintballguy2255, on 06 July 2012 - 12:27 AM, said:

IMO it looks pretty badass.Hopefully it will be one of a few good cheap electros.If you think about it,it might be like a GOG envy vs.extcy thing:just a normal zenith on steroids.

I wish we knew more, but I'm going to venture out on a limb and say I don't think so. Azodin announced they were releasing an electropneumatic and a spool this year. This clearly is not a spool design with the stacked tubes.

Assuming they meant electropneumatic in the most literal and accurate sense, the firing type is going to be more like the PE Ego line - using pressured air to blow the bolt forward before the escape air chamber marries up with the firing of the ball. The Zenith type 1 uses a spring to move the bolt forward instead. It depends on how they price it, but assuming it's near $300 this will be a direct competitor for the other low-priced true electropneumatic in the Dangerous Power G4. If they price it near $450 then it will be a direct competitor to the next closest true electropneumatic which is the Etek. I'm betting they market it around the $300 mark and try to push dP out of the arena with better quality and customer service.

Now, I see a lot of comments regarding the Zenith as being just like a Spyder electro, but that completely ignores how the two-spring system of the drive and ZeRO recoil work. Yes, it's sear with springs and not pneumatic, but you're balancing both sides of the valve to a lower pressure requirement and lower kick. It's going to be quieter and smoother than any other stacked tube poppet FASOR (or similar) design in a significant price band around it (that would be the Spyders, the G4, and the etek), and maybe even the smoothest stacked tube poppet on the new market (at the cost of efficiency comparative). EDIT: I'm just not sure that comment can stand against a BL, Alien, Cyborg, etc.

You have a good point on the price range.And a good point overall.

[ETPAINTBALL]

I cannot wait for this I have the zenith and I plan on owning this also.

[lolcatzombie]

cant wait to see the specs but it looks pretty sexy

[Bauzer]

looks like an f7 f8

[ccseancc143]

Unfated33, on 03 July 2012 - 08:31 PM, said:

Jarz, on 03 July 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:

I'm a big Mini fan, so if they get these things done, it can compete in the Mini price range:

- Get at least 6-7 pods from a 68/45. Remember, this is probably geared for newer player, it doesn't need 10 or more pods.
- Make maintenance relatively quick and easy. If I spend less than 15 minutes doing regular light maintenance, I'm happy.
- Have different sized-barrel backs available. If they can make .681, .685, and .689 backs available, that'd be a great step. I'm assuming the back is about .693-ish.

Honestly, if the trigger works nicely (or aftermarket triggers are available), this looks great. I'd throw a POPS and a better trigger on there, and if the marker shoots well and gets good efficiency, it looks to be a great marker.

I think the current Zenith does all of these things, but gets a bad rap for not being a Proto Rail / GOG eXTCy. The current stock barrel bore is .689 and then they have a cf barrel that is .691. I would bet maintenance of the bolt and striker are less than 5 minutes of regular maintenance - more if you breakdown the reg or ZeRO system regularly. I look at the Zenith as an alternate budget version of the Etek that provides a poppit alternative to the Rail and eXTCy spools.

The zenith isnt a poppit its a blowback.

that looks pretty ugly.

[The Inflicted]

ccseancc143, on 21 July 2012 - 11:37 AM, said:

The zenith isnt a poppit its a blowback.

that looks pretty ugly.

You do realize that all blowbacks are poppet-valved markers, right?

[madsnipes]

Unfated33, on 06 July 2012 - 04:13 AM, said:

paintballguy2255, on 06 July 2012 - 12:27 AM, said:

IMO it looks pretty badass.Hopefully it will be one of a few good cheap electros.If you think about it,it might be like a GOG envy vs.extcy thing:just a normal zenith on steroids.

I wish we knew more, but I'm going to venture out on a limb and say I don't think so. Azodin announced they were releasing an electropneumatic and a spool this year. This clearly is not a spool design with the stacked tubes.

Assuming they meant electropneumatic in the most literal and accurate sense, the firing type is going to be more like the PE Ego line - using pressured air to blow the bolt forward before the escape air chamber marries up with the firing of the ball. The Zenith type 1 uses a spring to move the bolt forward instead. It depends on how they price it, but assuming it's near $300 this will be a direct competitor for the other low-priced true electropneumatic in the Dangerous Power G4. If they price it near $450 then it will be a direct competitor to the next closest true electropneumatic which is the Etek. I'm betting they market it around the $300 mark and try to push dP out of the arena with better quality and customer service.

Now, I see a lot of comments regarding the Zenith as being just like a Spyder electro, but that completely ignores how the two-spring system of the drive and ZeRO recoil work. Yes, it's sear with springs and not pneumatic, but you're balancing both sides of the valve to a lower pressure requirement and lower kick. It's going to be quieter and smoother than any other stacked tube poppet FASOR (or similar) design in a significant price band around it (that would be the Spyders, the G4, and the etek), and maybe even the smoothest stacked tube poppet on the new market (at the cost of efficiency comparative). EDIT: I'm just not sure that comment can stand against a BL, Alien, Cyborg, etc.

that is a good point and your likely right about the pricing. my only issue with your statement is where you say: " It's going to be quieter and smoother than any other stacked tube poppet FASOR (or similar) design in a significant price band around it (that would be the Spyders, the G4, and the etek".
the G4 is a spool valve, not a FASOR type design, your thinking of the Fusion FX which is DP's midrange priced FASOR

This post has been edited by madsnipes: 21 July 2012 - 07:43 PM

[unfated33]

madsnipes, on 21 July 2012 - 07:42 PM, said:

Unfated33, on 06 July 2012 - 04:13 AM, said:

paintballguy2255, on 06 July 2012 - 12:27 AM, said:

IMO it looks pretty badass.Hopefully it will be one of a few good cheap electros.If you think about it,it might be like a GOG envy vs.extcy thing:just a normal zenith on steroids.

I wish we knew more, but I'm going to venture out on a limb and say I don't think so. Azodin announced they were releasing an electropneumatic and a spool this year. This clearly is not a spool design with the stacked tubes.

Assuming they meant electropneumatic in the most literal and accurate sense, the firing type is going to be more like the PE Ego line - using pressured air to blow the bolt forward before the escape air chamber marries up with the firing of the ball. The Zenith type 1 uses a spring to move the bolt forward instead. It depends on how they price it, but assuming it's near $300 this will be a direct competitor for the other low-priced true electropneumatic in the Dangerous Power G4. If they price it near $450 then it will be a direct competitor to the next closest true electropneumatic which is the Etek. I'm betting they market it around the $300 mark and try to push dP out of the arena with better quality and customer service.

Now, I see a lot of comments regarding the Zenith as being just like a Spyder electro, but that completely ignores how the two-spring system of the drive and ZeRO recoil work. Yes, it's sear with springs and not pneumatic, but you're balancing both sides of the valve to a lower pressure requirement and lower kick. It's going to be quieter and smoother than any other stacked tube poppet FASOR (or similar) design in a significant price band around it (that would be the Spyders, the G4, and the etek), and maybe even the smoothest stacked tube poppet on the new market (at the cost of efficiency comparative). EDIT: I'm just not sure that comment can stand against a BL, Alien, Cyborg, etc.

that is a good point and your likely right about the pricing. my only issue with your statement is where you say: " It's going to be quieter and smoother than any other stacked tube poppet FASOR (or similar) design in a significant price band around it (that would be the Spyders, the G4, and the etek".
the G4 is a spool valve, not a FASOR type design, your thinking of the Fusion FX which is DP's midrange priced FASOR

You're exactly right. I often make that mistake by confusing the G4 with the FX. Thanks!

[armonster12]

looks nice...

[Panda's Revenge]

This has to be one of these two things.

FASOR

Or Electro-Pneumatic

If it's gonna be another sear-tripper then I'm out.

[CPS]

Panda, on 24 July 2012 - 12:37 AM, said:

This has to be one of these two things.

FASOR

Or Electro-Pneumatic

If it's gonna be another sear-tripper then I'm out.

i wouldnt mind a sear tripper but it would be cool to see azodin seperate themselves from kingman by making simple blowbacks more battery efficient ,quieter and more gentle on paint but still having a low cost.

[Panda's Revenge]

I mean they already have 2 sear trippers, a mechanical, and a pump.
All they need now is a FASOR or EP gun.

If it is a Sear-tripper then I would like it to be efficient and come with a barrel kit.
Also allow it to use previous Zenith upgrades and hopefully a better board than a Zen board.

I would like to see a mid-end board in it.





I would really like to see it have a chip so that your loader is synced with your gun.

[CPS]

Panda, on 24 July 2012 - 12:48 AM, said:

I mean they already have 2 sear trippers, a mechanical, and a pump.
All they need now is a FASOR or EP gun.

If it is a Sear-tripper then I would like it to be efficient and come with a barrel kit.
Also allow it to use previous Zenith upgrades and hopefully a better board than a Zen board.

I would like to see a mid-end board in it.





I would really like to see it have a chip so that your loader is synced with your gun.

thats true as a previous azodin owner their reliability also needs to be fixed the guns go down allot.

[unfated33]

Azodinonline now has a better, clearer image of the marker - no fat trigger, it's just extended out. http://www.azodinonl...rkers/zenithx2/

[andrewthewookie]

Unfated33, on 03 November 2012 - 09:28 AM, said:

Azodinonline now has a better, clearer image of the marker - no fat trigger, it's just extended out. http://www.azodinonl...rkers/zenithx2/

That's like the exact same pic as in the start of the thread, just with some extra text.

[Capn McMelons]

HU Soldier, on 03 July 2012 - 04:54 PM, said:

looks like a wanna be ego lol

Dude it's not gonna be anything like an EGO it's 250 buck and doesnt really look simmalar except the fact the LPR cap does.

[unfated33]

andrewthewookie, on 03 November 2012 - 07:12 PM, said:

Unfated33, on 03 November 2012 - 09:28 AM, said:

Azodinonline now has a better, clearer image of the marker - no fat trigger, it's just extended out. http://www.azodinonl...rkers/zenithx2/

That's like the exact same pic as in the start of the thread, just with some extra text.

It's the same picture but crisper because it's not shaded and then whitened. It's the original brightness. The fat trigger artifact is removed.

[recklessbob]

looks good but it wouldn't be my first pick

[junits15]

This is interesting imo,
I feel like the stbb design is depleted though; that there really isn't much more room for improvement in it. In my mind the spool valve is the future of paintball because it has the most room for improvement. When you have a 60ish gram mass smashing into a valve, there's only so much you can do to reduce kick. Heck you could even say that the entire family of poppet valves is depleted. The timmys and egos haven't got that much better in the past few years. I do understand that these are entry level markers but I just don't think this will be that different than the current zenith because of inherit shortcomings in the design.

So I'm more excited for the spool azodin is rumored to release.

though one more thing: Even though I say the spool is the future, I feel confident in saying that whatever valve comes after the spool will truly revolutionize paintball

This post has been edited by junits15: 23 November 2012 - 09:39 AM

[Goozen]

HU Soldier, on 03 July 2012 - 04:54 PM, said:

looks like a wanna be ego lol

Don't forget the ego is just a timmy knockoff...lol