[Rollieelmo]

I've been using the Empire Trracer for a while, but now I want a more high-end pump. One of the 3 in the title perhaps. I also need a bottomline for my Trracer. Thanks.

[G4paintballer]

Wgp is autococker but I havent personally used a autococker but I have used a Phantom and they are AMAZING.

[Rollieelmo]

G4paintballer, on 14 April 2011 - 06:50 PM, said:

Wgp is autococker but I havent personally used a autococker but I have used a Phantom and they are AMAZING.

Oh, my bad. I remember now. I couldn't remember if Autococker was a company or not

[G4paintballer]

Ill be buying a Autococker pump, I pretty much own a Phantom I just need to get the money for it.

[danath 34]

IMO, a cocker pump (aka sniper, btw) is the way to go... I have tried phantoms, and even sterling pumps, but they both just dont feel right to me. A sniper just feels and shoots a lot better in my opinion.

[Klub]

Phantom just because stock class is sexier imo, the only bottom line I can find is this > cheap sauce Im sure you can find better.
Btw, when you double post, a small child gets bitten by an aids monkey.

This post has been edited by Klub: 14 April 2011 - 07:05 PM

[Rollieelmo]

No stock class, all open class for me.

[Danny D]

If your going open class, a sniper for sure. Good luck.

[Shut Em Down]

Vsc phantom all the way. (for me atleast)

[Rollieelmo]

Shut Em Down, on 15 April 2011 - 07:31 AM, said:

Vsc phantom all the way. (for me atleast)

What is this "VSC" of which you speak? You seem well-learned in Phantoms

[Shut Em Down]

Vertical stock class. Like the one in my avatar. Consists of a 10/15 round feed tube in place of a feed neck/hopper. With an Asa that runs vertical, similar to where a regulator would be on any marker. But it is a 12 gram bucket changer.

[Rollieelmo]

Shut Em Down, on 15 April 2011 - 02:31 PM, said:

Vertical stock class. Like the one in my avatar. Consists of a 10/15 round feed tube in place of a feed neck/hopper. With an Asa that runs vertical, similar to where a regulator would be on any marker. But it is a 12 gram bucket changer.

I was also thinking about getting a stock class Phantom, but then I realized that you can change the body. I probably won't do tube fed because, rock'n'cock seems annoying.

[Kermit]

If you see yourself playing stock class an open class, probably a phantom. If you go for a phantom, always get the stock class phantom and the vertical feed adapter so you have a centerfeed phantom instead of that pesky RF.

If you are going for pure open class(hopper and tank), sniper's just beat the turds off the phantom in my opinion. It's a bit heaver but the worst pump stroke on a sniper is probably the best stroke on a phantom, in all honesty. They are just nicer OC guns.

Like I said, the phantom isn't a bad gun for OC. It does have AT.

MAKE SURE to get the stock class body and adapter if you go OC phantom though.

[mr.satire]

Yeah if your looking at open class take a look at the Azodin Kaos pump good little gun with a decent reg and good pump stroke.

[Dominerva210]

VSC Phantoms all the way. Don't knock them till you've owned them.

Phantoms in general have way more possibilities then any sniper.

[Rollieelmo]

Here's what I'm thinking:

-Centerfeed
-45 grip
-11'' barrel
-Bottomline
-Green/Black acid splash (idk which)
-I want steel-braided line because I heard some things about CO2 breaking macroline
-I also want to have the ability to use 12 grams, but idk how it would be set up

[Dominerva210]

Rollieelmo, on 15 April 2011 - 09:37 PM, said:

Here's what I'm thinking:

-Centerfeed
-45 grip
-11'' barrel
-Bottomline
-Green/Black acid splash (idk which)
-I want steel-braided line because I heard some things about CO2 breaking macroline
-I also want to have the ability to use 12 grams, but idk how it would be set up

I'd say if you want to switch from bottom line and straight VSC, buy a vertical stock class and then use that same bottom line kit suggested for your trracer. You'd just take the dump charger off and screw the 1/8th adapter into the vertical ASA.

[Watcher]

Go to the pump section on this forum if you want a lot more information.

The general idea is that Sheridan based pumps ("Snipers", 'Cockers converted to snipers, CCMs, Azodin KaosPumps, old PMIs, anything "stacked tube design") is better for OC because of smoother operation and a particular weight and balance giving them more of a "semi feel". This gives them more allure in the tournament scene. They also look more modern, and accept most hoppers and barrels.

Nelson based pumps (NelSpots, Phantoms, Trracers, Bushmasters, Lapcos, Carters, Gargoyles, etc) are better for stock-class play because of lighter weight, naturally better air efficiency, and different weight balance making it more maneuverable for "rock-n-cock" operation and quick snap-shooting.
Phantoms are thought to be the most customisable pump on the market right now, and I agree with that.


If you want a pump that does everything, get a Phantom. If you want a good OC gun that can do some SC, go with the Sheridan based pump. If you want a primarily SC gun than can do some OC, look for a Nelson based pump.


The middle-ground is the Sterling. They have Nelson like valve/hammer layouts with Sheridan like bolt/pump systems. You get the best of both worlds at the cost of some weight and lack of customisability and parts.

Rollieelmo, on 15 April 2011 - 09:37 PM, said:

Here's what I'm thinking:
-Centerfeed
-45 grip
-11'' barrel
-Bottomline
-Green/Black acid splash (idk which)
-I want steel-braided line because I heard some things about CO2 breaking macroline
-I also want to have the ability to use 12 grams, but idk how it would be set up

Sounds like you are a candidate for a Phantom. Go for a VSC .45with a hardline to the valve, and buy a centerfeed body. It's very easy to run a bottomline on that setup.

Phantoms are all over the BSTs, look around. Good used ones can be had all the time.

This post has been edited by Watcher: 16 April 2011 - 12:55 AM

[Hibiki54]

You might want to consider something like in Kermit's pic

[The Inflicted]

I'd get a bottomline kit for your Trracer before you spend any money changing pumps altogether.
ANS and I&I both sell good kits for under $10.

I actually bought my Trracer AFTER I built a custom minisniper and a VSC Phantom, and I find myself using the Trracer more and more.