[OEFVeteran]

to put it quite simply.... and to not derail this thread even further....

alien guns are fine, they work, they have nice features... but i personally cant support the company based on what i've seen and heard about the owner.... my opinion means nothing in the grand scheme of things, and yes, i've shot an independence, i didnt really like it... i know some people that are die hard alien fans and would lick the scum off jack's boots just so he would talk to them... so i've had a chance to heard more about alien then i would like to...

my opionin is my own... i dont force it on others.. since this thread was about alien, i talked about why i didnt like the company... if the thread had been about another company i dont choose to support, i would have talked about why in there....

dont make this a "fuck jack rice" thread, otherwise i will shut it down... if you can express your opinion in a intelligent manner please do so, if not, shut the hell up and move on

[Jack Rice]

OEFVeteran, on 30 December 2012 - 03:54 PM, said:

that question his claims or have proven him wrong

See that's the problem.
What I have said is that no one has "reasonably" proven me wrong.
Everyone said make a video - so I did.
Then some said well yo can't see enough of the gun - or it wasn't enough balls shot. Make another video - so I did.
IMO anyone reasonably looking at the videos - says - OK the shot is better.
It's a paintball - filled with liquid - there is a limit on how much spin can be put into the ball.
If you look at the 150 foot shot you will see the circle goes from about 36 inches to about 24 inches - doing the math that's 6 inches each way.
So a guy picks up the gun and shoot something 100 fee away - just rips off a string - and says I can't tell a difference.
Not being about to tell a difference - isn't "no difference"

Trouble is that I said a 36 inch pattern is 50% bigger than a 24 inch pattern. Let's do the math ;-) Half of 24 is 12
12 + 24 so by that definition other guns are 50% less accurate.
Well some players went nuts - it was like a was drowning kittens in my back yard.
Now I could have said Alien's are twice as accurate - by different way of doing the math.
Volume of a circle is the radius squared, times pi -- and pi being a constant, drop it.
12 x 12 = 144
18 x 18 = 324
So by that logic the sweep is way over twice as accurate.
But... holding the gun, you can't tell 6 inches on each side at 150 feet. So all of a sudden I'm "proven" to be a liar.
Truth be told - I showed what was happening in two videos - said nothing more than what is.

To get an even better shot you have to do what First Strike did. Cut the amount of paint down by 2/3's??? and impart huge spin.
Great! Much better shot - maybe 25 times more accurate. And 25 times the cost.
Sweep doesn't add to the cost and if you play with one awhile you will notice the difference.
Now what I say is "Spray and pray is OK" Just give your prayer the best chance to get answered.

This post has been edited by Jack Rice: 17 January 2013 - 10:04 PM

[sticktodrum]

[TECHDP=)]

Here it comes.

[PREDATOR 47]

sticktodrum, on 17 January 2013 - 10:06 PM, said:

Same here.

[lovebunny]

so can i tilt the gun and it will shoot arund bunkers like an apex?? if so and its turney legal im getting one

[Jack Rice]

lovebunny, on 17 January 2013 - 10:51 PM, said:

so can i tilt the gun and it will shoot around bunkers like an apex?? if so and its turney legal im getting one

Again, this is where the problems are, others making claims (or at least assumptions) for the gun that were not stated.
By imparting some spin on the ball - giving it an inherent rotation - it has a slight gyroscopic effect.
To repeat myself...yet again...
A knuckleball has no rotation so it picks up a rotation while in flight. That make it's trajectory more erratic.
We are throwing fastball - tighter flight - not curve balls.
It works, videos show it and hundreds of players know.
How important is the difference is - that is a matter of opinion.

[Pump Player]

Tell it like it is jack!

[lovebunny]

yeah i have seen your vids.. great stuff.

[Russian Legion Fan]

Hi Jack, firstoff I would like to say thank you for trying to devlop and further the gear and technology of paintball, you have done more than 95% of the paintball world has to further this sport. Anyways, would you mind posting the videos you made here so we can see them? I am no expert in how a paintball flies, or how exactly bolts effect said trajectory, is there a spread sheet, graph, video or picture that can slow down what the sweep bolt does, so we can better understand what exactly it does to the balls flight path. Just trying to sift through the dirt and find the golden nugget of factual scientifically supported truth that lies under the debate of the sweep bolt.

[Jack Rice]

On phone- back on Tuesday -will post then - but they are all on you tube - search "sweep"

[Russian Legion Fan]

Ok, thanks, looking forward to see what you have to say.

[NJC]

alien guns shoot great. my teammate has a 2011 indy. thing is fucking awesome to shoot

[gnarlee]

Does it have a on off I am intrested but a on off is a must not doing the whole invert mini thing again

[cybermaniac15]

gnarlee, on 19 January 2013 - 11:35 PM, said:

Does it have a on off I am intrested but a on off is a must not doing the whole invert mini thing again

No Asa is like the mini's.
Pretty sure it's not an on/off, but was very easy to unscrew while pressurized.

[K_SodPb]

cybermaniac15, on 20 January 2013 - 12:38 AM, said:

gnarlee, on 19 January 2013 - 11:35 PM, said:

Does it have a on off I am intrested but a on off is a must not doing the whole invert mini thing again

No Asa is like the mini's.
Pretty sure it's not an on/off, but was very easy to unscrew while pressurized.

to degas it you unscrew the tank like a half turn and then take one more shot then umscrew it the rest of the way. and I have an Invasion and I love it, shoots great. would definitely buy from Jack and Alien paintball again.

[cybermaniac15]

K_SodPb, on 20 January 2013 - 12:56 AM, said:

cybermaniac15, on 20 January 2013 - 12:38 AM, said:

gnarlee, on 19 January 2013 - 11:35 PM, said:

Does it have a on off I am intrested but a on off is a must not doing the whole invert mini thing again

No Asa is like the mini's.
Pretty sure it's not an on/off, but was very easy to unscrew while pressurized.

to degas it you unscrew the tank like a half turn and then take one more shot then umscrew it the rest of the way. and I have an Invasion and I love it, shoots great. would definitely buy from Jack and Alien paintball again.

That's standard for a non-on/off.

[K_SodPb]

cybermaniac15, on 20 January 2013 - 01:09 AM, said:

K_SodPb, on 20 January 2013 - 12:56 AM, said:

cybermaniac15, on 20 January 2013 - 12:38 AM, said:

gnarlee, on 19 January 2013 - 11:35 PM, said:

Does it have a on off I am intrested but a on off is a must not doing the whole invert mini thing again

No Asa is like the mini's.
Pretty sure it's not an on/off, but was very easy to unscrew while pressurized.

to degas it you unscrew the tank like a half turn and then take one more shot then umscrew it the rest of the way. and I have an Invasion and I love it, shoots great. would definitely buy from Jack and Alien paintball again.

That's standard for a non-on/off.

yeah i know im just trying to help out haha

[SamBo]

I'm going to try to extreme overbore and shoot reballs to see if I can actually see the affects of the sweep bolt. Just a little experiment.

[Jack Rice]

I had a team in Sweden that shot (reballs) and I had to send bolts without the insert because they said the sweep was too much so maybe you will see it. - after hearing from them I planned on doing it (video) haven't

This post has been edited by Jack Rice: 21 January 2013 - 12:42 PM