[Nobben #44]

The board is so absolutely incredibly bad I cannot even make up a word to spite it.
Don't even get me started on the tremendously terrible regulator and trigger.
Ergonomics, feel and looks are all preference I know, but it scores bottom of the barrel on all those as well.

[get.lit.up!]

Nobben #44, on 14 February 2013 - 09:06 PM, said:

The board is so absolutely incredibly bad I cannot even make up a word to spite it.
Don't even get me started on the tremendously terrible regulator and trigger.
Ergonomics, feel and looks are all preference I know, but it scores bottom of the barrel on all those as well.

Oh BOO HOO the optimis <v1.6 boards had PSP issues. But the STOCK shockwave boards are working decently

[Nobben #44]

get.lit.up!, on 14 February 2013 - 10:09 PM, said:

Nobben #44, on 14 February 2013 - 09:06 PM, said:

The board is so absolutely incredibly bad I cannot even make up a word to spite it.
Don't even get me started on the tremendously terrible regulator and trigger.
Ergonomics, feel and looks are all preference I know, but it scores bottom of the barrel on all those as well.

Oh BOO HOO the optimis <v1.6 boards had PSP issues. But the STOCK shockwave boards are working decently

Oh boo hoo? Really? There goes your credibility out the window. Bye!
The stock mini boards fry and have a nice way of spontaneously go into unlimited ramping mode.

[get.lit.up!]

Have one of the older board v1.2 boards, and kee won't even replace it since it is not fried. Irrelatvant since I got 2 shockwave boards.

The only psp problem that I ever heard was 15bps cap activation then 12.5bps capped ramp.

[Stealth1k]

Cant say i know much about markers but i can say i that i tested my v3 mini and DM10 "Side to side" and i cant say the dm10 is any more consistent than the mini. i was shooting at a jug about 35 meters away (both using the same dye UL barrel and balls) and they were both "in the same range" of consistency.

Am i saying a mini is equal to a DM? No, but it does serve its purpose - getting paint where you want it.

[Orange Chicken]

Stealth1k, on 17 February 2013 - 01:50 PM, said:

Cant say i know much about markers but i can say i that i tested my v3 mini and DM10 "Side to side" and i cant say the dm10 is any more consistent than the mini. i was shooting at a jug about 35 meters away (both using the same dye UL barrel and balls) and they were both "in the same range" of consistency.

Am i saying a mini is equal to a DM? No, but it does serve its purpose - getting paint where you want it.

Well in that context, a tippmann 98 is equal to my brothers clone gt.

[Stealth1k]

Orange Chicken, on 17 February 2013 - 05:25 PM, said:

Stealth1k, on 17 February 2013 - 01:50 PM, said:

Cant say i know much about markers but i can say i that i tested my v3 mini and DM10 "Side to side" and i cant say the dm10 is any more consistent than the mini. i was shooting at a jug about 35 meters away (both using the same dye UL barrel and balls) and they were both "in the same range" of consistency.

Am i saying a mini is equal to a DM? No, but it does serve its purpose - getting paint where you want it.

Well in that context, a tippmann 98 is equal to my brothers clone gt.

Not even close, The 'context' was consistancy at 35 meters (which is quite a way for a paintball outdoors IMO). My A5 isn't even consistant at 15 meters so idk how a 98 is gonna compare to a clone at 35m. Maybe at 10 feet.

[Cookybiscuit]

Stealth1k, on 17 February 2013 - 06:28 PM, said:

Orange Chicken, on 17 February 2013 - 05:25 PM, said:

Stealth1k, on 17 February 2013 - 01:50 PM, said:

Cant say i know much about markers but i can say i that i tested my v3 mini and DM10 "Side to side" and i cant say the dm10 is any more consistent than the mini. i was shooting at a jug about 35 meters away (both using the same dye UL barrel and balls) and they were both "in the same range" of consistency.

Am i saying a mini is equal to a DM? No, but it does serve its purpose - getting paint where you want it.

Well in that context, a tippmann 98 is equal to my brothers clone gt.

Not even close, The 'context' was consistancy at 35 meters (which is quite a way for a paintball outdoors IMO). My A5 isn't even consistant at 15 meters so idk how a 98 is gonna compare to a clone at 35m. Maybe at 10 feet.

I don't think consistency is what you think it is, and accuracy is the same between a 98 and Clone, as it is with any gun.

[OBF]

I personally can't stand them, but a lot of people like them. The only way I would use one is if it had a foregrip extender, and maybe even not then.

[Stealth1k]

Cookybiscuit, on 17 February 2013 - 06:45 PM, said:

Stealth1k, on 17 February 2013 - 06:28 PM, said:

Orange Chicken, on 17 February 2013 - 05:25 PM, said:

Stealth1k, on 17 February 2013 - 01:50 PM, said:

Cant say i know much about markers but i can say i that i tested my v3 mini and DM10 "Side to side" and i cant say the dm10 is any more consistent than the mini. i was shooting at a jug about 35 meters away (both using the same dye UL barrel and balls) and they were both "in the same range" of consistency.

Am i saying a mini is equal to a DM? No, but it does serve its purpose - getting paint where you want it.

Well in that context, a tippmann 98 is equal to my brothers clone gt.

Not even close, The 'context' was consistancy at 35 meters (which is quite a way for a paintball outdoors IMO). My A5 isn't even consistant at 15 meters so idk how a 98 is gonna compare to a clone at 35m. Maybe at 10 feet.

I don't think consistency is what you think it is, and accuracy is the same between a 98 and Clone, as it is with any gun.

Maybe it doesnt mean the same thing to us, but to me a paintball marker isn't very "Accurate" at 35+ meters. When i say consistent i mean that it consistently puts the balls within the same 1-2 foot area at a distance. Maybe you're right though maybe the term i'm looking for when it comes to PB is accuracy lol. My A5 and X7 aren't any where near as consistant / accurate as my DM10 at a distance, so maybe i gave the clone too much or the 98 too little credit? My mistake.

This post has been edited by Stealth1k: 17 February 2013 - 08:07 PM

[Nobben #44]

Consistency is how big of a difference the FPS value is between every shot. Distance to the target is irrelevant.
And accuracy should be the same on any gun at the same FPS.

[Sellingbrokenion]

I work at a field see tons of guns come through. Some are good some are bad. I see hundreds of mini's over the course of the year. They are great guns but like every other gun only as good as the people using them. They wont fit every one no gun does. That being said on release boards were hit or miss, but empire was quick to replace boards and within weeks of release was replacing all them with new updated boards. The first popits were problematic but again they were quick come out with new version of those and replace them free of charge to. It probably was the most successful launch of a new system and brand I have seen. Now the biggest problem with the gun is the owners, just not taking care of the gun or incorrect operation by owner. Realize for most people this is the first electric gun, or tournament gun they get. It's taking the place of ion, and rail. Some of them don't even know difference between an HPA or Co2 tank. Are they going to tank the gun when it doesn't work the way they imagined it? yep. So is the mini really that bad, nope no rational person can say its a bad gun. Is it the right gun for everyone? Nope, there is no right gun for everyone, and the mini different enough to alienate people. In the end the only way to find out how good or bad a gun is to try it.

Here is a good pro con.


Benefits of a mini:
The best customer service all around.
The resale value of the gun is very good. Around 225 most places.
The gun is simple and easy, no one should complain about the gun being complicated.
Out of the box it is a good tournament gun, you do not need to upgrade boards or anything to play in tournaments.
The gun is light weight but still metal. I like many people would rather have a metal gun any day.
It's small for some people this a good the best of things.
LEDs with a battery life indicator, you have no idea the amount guns without this that cost a great deal more and dead or low batteries are the number 1 gun malfunction for all electric guns.

Draw backs of a mini.
ASA , why is an on off important for quick and easy screwing and unscrewing of tanks. With out it you should fire the gun in a safe spot and unscrew the tank to avoid stripping the thread. The gun can gas up with the tank not fully on giving you a few shots then dropping off.
Ball D tents, they suck I replaced mine about the 6th time playing with the mini (kila products magnetic dtents) . They are weak mine ended up shooting out the barrel of my gun while I was playing. They also wont wear evenly really messing up the trajectory of the ball.
Not a Tinkers dream, a lot people will hate on this gun because at its core it seems to be better to leave parts stock then after market the heck out of it. People love upgrading their guns boards, regs, bolts, the works, and on minis its hit or miss.
It's small, there are a couple reason people will say this a draw back, I am an average sized guy about 6 ft tall have no problems, but i am also skinny. Being american I think there might also be a psychological aspect of playing with a mini that will drive some people to hate its size.
Magnets, do you like them? If it just doesn't feel right you will probably not like the trigger.