[paintballer141]

I would say get the dye proto rail i havent used one but if my observations are right dye makes great guns and a great loader. the proto rail right now is on sale for 249.95 and without sale it is 299.95 or for a litte more money you can get the kit which includes a mask and a primo loader( which is a gravity loader) the price is 274.95 but it doesnt say if its on sale or not but im reading this from dye's website and that what it says as of 12/6/12 @ 7:48 in the morning. Also my friend has a syper and as soon as he screwed his CO2 tank in the gun blew a cup seal( this happened last month and i believe it was a cup seal) but it froze his gun and some other people i play with they have the azodin blitz and they keep having problems with them. for a good marker that is under $200 is by far a tippman. but if you can gather enough money i would get a dye,empire or any other very well know and distinguished for there good products.

[Corysllw]

I'm always hearing that Dye's CS sucks...

[Orange Chicken]

Out of those two, a blitz would be preferrable, and it's not just because I've been loving Azodin's mindset for the industry, but mainly because of the Auto-cocker threaded barrels. I personally hate getting an odd threaded barrel, only exception would be Ion/Impulse threads. But I would save a bit for a GoG eXTCy, which, in all respects, is a super, non-failed abortion-esque Ion on steriods, with great things the Ion should of had, and with a Blackheart board stock.

[ccseancc143]

Acogg97, on 27 October 2012 - 07:34 PM, said:

well i've been playing paintball for 5 years, started really young. but all my gear has been payed for by myself so i have what most people would call a "budget" setup (im 15)... i have had a blitz for the past year and absolutley dominated players with higher rated gear. the blitz is pretty sweet but if you have a larger budget, USE IT! the thing with my blitz is, it leaks after every other day of play. praze the loard for field gun techs!

here is some gamplay with it, its a 7v7 with my friends on the urban field
http://www.youtube.c...Nk&feature=plcp

wow 5 years of playing and you havent done anybetter than a vlocity and blitz

[iStansbury77]

Definetly the Blitz! Never NEVER NEVERRR Get a spyder, worst guns. Never have had a great experiance with them ever.
They are junk guns. The blitz is a Great starting gun man

[junits15]

iStansbury77, on 17 December 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

Definetly the Blitz! Never NEVER NEVERRR Get a spyder, worst guns. Never have had a great experiance with them ever.
They are junk guns. The blitz is a Great starting gun man

*facepalm*
They're the same gun
Literally they are exactly the same, get the cheaper one. Nobody cares about barrel threads on a blowback because you shouldn't be changing the stock barrel on one anyway. The fenix has standard NPT threads and an on/off asa. They're both made in china, both use a very old outdated design, both have multi-mode boards, both have adjustable regulators and low pressure valves. Both have lubeless delrin quick strip bolts and both have bearingless scithe style trigers.
Buy the cheaper one. Kingman and Azodin have good CS, I've dealt with both of them.
Treat a spyder like shit and it treats you like shit, treat a DM like shit and it treats you like shit

This post has been edited by junits15: 17 December 2012 - 06:27 PM

[BraiNfreeZe]

AT3256, on 15 October 2012 - 01:53 PM, said:

Or go used and get a pimped out ion.

This

[BraiNfreeZe]

Sydarm, on 16 October 2012 - 10:01 AM, said:

An ion cannot even be teched easily as it does not have bolt-out-back functionality. The reg requires a box end wrench, not an allen key, to adjust, and it comes with shitty feedneck. By the time you find a properly upgraded ion, then you are dealing with a moron most of the time trying to sell it for way more than it is worth.

Envy/Vibe/XTC/pmr2011+ would be much more highly recommended.

You can buy a nice ion xe, or get an upgraded ion and take it to a shop and buy a botb body frame and have them do it if you don;t feel like it yourself.....You can buy a CP clamping feedneck for some change and the aftermarket parts are endless incase something were to go down. The vibe is ok but is more expensive compared to the ion when used, and has less upgrades and the stock board can only shoot 11bps max, my grandma fucks faster than 11bps.....Don't listen to this guy and get an ion, or save up some more....You could also get a used Alias or other timmy if you like the poppet syle stack tube markers...

[THE_RED_MENACE]

jaredt, on 14 October 2012 - 10:26 PM, said:

What should I get? The AB, Or the spyder fenix

save up for the g5 or mini or any other gun at about 250 to 400 dollars

[Pb player eh]

Just save up and buy a used super gun I bought my 2k2 laysoya Timmy for 225 and it came with a freak kit so look at the used market it will save you money and you will get more out of it

[Matrixrail_Louie]

unfated33, on 15 October 2012 - 08:00 PM, said:

A pimped out Ion is okay, but a shocker would probably be better. The eNVy is a terrible choice when compared to a Blitz or a Fenix. It's a waste of money compared to it's sister Vibe, it doesn't have the upgrades of the Fenix or Blitz, and it's completely outclassed by the slighty more expensive big-brother eXTCy.

The envy is a lot better than the blitz or the fenix... I do agree that how for 50 dollars more the extcy makes it look stupid tho