[Jawz]

The valken vmax is better then the halo too period. 1) it feeds fast enough for tourney's, 2) unlike the halo the vmax is not a blender (picture is proof) 3) vmax is no tool assembly, and therefore you lose a screw4) Very durable material5) no battery door to break6) awesome customer service7) Pretty nice looking!Overall the vmax destroys the halo

[phillies0119]

That is just utterly false. You broke 1 ball... big deal. If my blender could only blend one piece of fruit in its lifetime I would be pissed. The halo too has: -a more reliable feed system that is actually consistent at 10-15 bps, even though it claims 30+
-better board capable of higher speeds if needed
-an equally as good shell, the vmax shell is by no means sturdy and the shell is even uglier than the too's (which isn't that bad in all honesty)
-A better stock lid that does NOT come open by itself
-It is NOT a blender and I have NEVER heard that claim before and Andrewthewookie agreed with me on that in a separate conversation about the too. Your claim is absurd. I bet I could get a video of a luxe chopping pain. Does that mean that they chop a lot? absolutely not. I could get a picture of a Z2, Rotor or Pinokio with a broken ball inside, does that mean they are blenders? obviously not.
-It costs less than the V-Max at $70
-Empire has good customer service as well, and customer service does not define the performance of the loader.

V-Max:
-Tool-less assembly

The too is the faster, more reliable, system that feeds 15 with EASE. The V-Max is inconsistent at times, even at those speeds yet it costs more. The distinct benefit of the V-Max is the tool-less assembly. The too's shell is no more brittle than the V-Max and I get hit there a LOT. I have had no such issues with it. I have even heard stories of V-Max floors warping in the heat.

There is a reason threads like these exist:
http://www.techpb.co...howtopic=192250
http://www.techpb.co...howtopic=165935

Won't find too many of those about the invert too. Lets settle this and make a poll. See who wins.
Here it is: http://www.techpb.co...howtopic=194739

This post has been edited by phillies0119: 30 May 2012 - 03:28 PM

[Jawz]

phillies0119, on 30 May 2012 - 03:24 PM, said:

That is just utterly false. You broke 1 ball... big deal. If my blender could only blend one piece of fruit in its lifetime I would be pissed. The halo too has: -a more reliable feed system that is actually consistent at 10-15 bps, even though it claims 30+
-better board capable of higher speeds if needed
-an equally as good shell, the vmax shell is by no means sturdy and the shell is even uglier than the too's (which isn't that bad in all honesty)
-A better stock lid that does NOT come open by itself
-It is NOT a blender and I have NEVER heard that claim before and Andrewthewookie agreed with me on that in a separate conversation about the too. Your claim is absurd. I bet I could get a video of a luxe chopping pain. Does that mean that they chop a lot? absolutely not. I could get a picture of a Z2, Rotor or Pinokio with a broken ball inside, does that mean they are blenders? obviously not.
-It costs less than the V-Max at $70
-Empire has good customer service as well, and customer service does not define the performance of the loader.

V-Max:
-Tool-less assembly

The too is the faster, more reliable, system that feeds 15 with EASE. The V-Max is inconsistent at times, even at those speeds yet it costs more. The distinct benefit of the V-Max is the tool-less assembly. The too's shell is no more brittle than the V-Max and I get hit there a LOT. I have had no such issues with it. I have even heard stories of V-Max floors warping in the heat.

There is a reason threads like these exist:
http://www.techpb.co...howtopic=192250
http://www.techpb.co...howtopic=165935

Won't find too many of those about the invert too. Lets settle this and make a poll. See who wins.
Here it is: http://www.techpb.co...howtopic=194739

I find it funny you think that was only one ball XD! it was 4 which completely jammed the loader, it wasn't even tourney paint! Its was red legion blue box, not that brittle of paint... You think the V-MAX is weaker than a halo too. Just get out of here now buddy! Also creating a poll for people to vote on is pretty much completely useless to me seeing that only a few people have actually used or even held a vmax, including your self than lie about it using information they have gathered from sites, and videos meanwhile the halo too is a budget ballers hopper and alot of people use them.

[phillies0119]

My friend used a vmax until he got a rotor. He didn't like it. As far as power. The too IS more powerful. Vmax claims 30+, it gets 10-15 consistently. The too is perfectly capable of 20+. The complaint threads exist for a reason. About your jam, if one broke it is not surprising that it broke a few at the szme time. The broken ball jams it even more. Maybe your settings were too high (sensitivity or speed) and it was feeding more often or faster than needed.

[Coalminer]

I dont have experience with the halo or the v-max but i love my vlocity with about 20 cases through it it has never jammed, but, it is very loud. it announces to everyone "hey i need to reload". Even if you keep it on the lowest speed it works fine.

[Jawz]

phillies0119, on 31 May 2012 - 10:31 PM, said:

My friend used a vmax until he got a rotor. He didn't like it. As far as power. The too IS more powerful. Vmax claims 30+, it gets 10-15 consistently. The too is perfectly capable of 20+. The complaint threads exist for a reason. About your jam, if one broke it is not surprising that it broke a few at the szme time. The broken ball jams it even more. Maybe your settings were too high (sensitivity or speed) and it was feeding more often or faster than needed.

Just ran into a someone at my field using a V-max, loves it and traded his rotor for it XD funniest thing is he had a halo too broken in his gear bag XD

[Panda's Revenge]

Ok, so I don't own either of the loaders but I do want to say something.

Phillies, you say that the Too gets 20+ bps. Why in the world would you need 20+ BPS for when the legal speed cap at most fields is 13? No reason to shoot that fast.
Now, I heard that the V-Max uses rubber props, but they are similar to the Pinokio props so you could switch those out. From hearing that, I would assume that the V-Max would be the better loader, it has a tooless disassembly, and if you replace the props you have one solid loader. The Halo sounds like a good loader, but from just pictures alone I hate the look because the silver screws stand out from the black shell.

But, why would my opinion matter? I haven't owned either.

[JGARRIGUES0001]

I own a Valken V-Max, contact Valken and ask them to send you a V-Max that has been checked over. Order a Pinokio prop shaft. I have no complaints about mine, it is a backup loader that I have for cold conditions where paint is blending. No complaints about consistency... it does its job. I'd recommend the Pinokio over the V-Max though...

[phillies0119]

Panda, on 01 June 2012 - 11:32 PM, said:

Ok, so I don't own either of the loaders but I do want to say something.

Phillies, you say that the Too gets 20+ bps. Why in the world would you need 20+ BPS for when the legal speed cap at most fields is 13? No reason to shoot that fast.
Now, I heard that the V-Max uses rubber props, but they are similar to the Pinokio props so you could switch those out. From hearing that, I would assume that the V-Max would be the better loader, it has a tooless disassembly, and if you replace the props you have one solid loader. The Halo sounds like a good loader, but from just pictures alone I hate the look because the silver screws stand out from the black shell.

But, why would my opinion matter? I haven't owned either.

I never said you needed 20+ bps, I am just saying it is capable of doing it consistently. On the contrary, one of the biggest complaints about the vmax is that it is inconsistent from 10-15 bps, which is a ROF that you may shoot and valken claims that it can shoot 30+. About the screws. They are inland and not visible, though I do not like the fact that it has them. The drive train on the too is faster and more reliable. A little harder on paint, yes, but I have put brittle paint in it before without any problems.

[manosapojr]

Would this be the pinokio prop
http://www.hustlepai...okio-Drive-Cone

[Panda's Revenge]

manosapojr, on 02 June 2012 - 10:42 AM, said:

Would this be the pinokio prop
http://www.hustlepai...okio-Drive-Cone

Si Senor.
I play woodsball mostly, so I would say that you wouldn't need more than 12 BPS for woodsball.
Just saying.

phillies0119, on 31 May 2012 - 10:31 PM, said:

My friend used a vmax until he got a rotor. He didn't like it. As far as power. The too IS more powerful. Vmax claims 30+, it gets 10-15 consistently. The too is perfectly capable of 20+. The complaint threads exist for a reason. About your jam, if one broke it is not surprising that it broke a few at the szme time. The broken ball jams it even more. Maybe your settings were too high (sensitivity or speed) and it was feeding more often or faster than needed.

phillies0119, on 02 June 2012 - 10:17 AM, said:

I never said you needed 20+ bps, I am just saying it is capable of doing it consistently. On the contrary, one of the biggest complaints about the vmax is that it is inconsistent from 10-15 bps, which is a ROF that you may shoot and valken claims that it can shoot 30+. About the screws. They are inland and not visible, though I do not like the fact that it has them. The drive train on the too is faster and more reliable. A little harder on paint, yes, but I have put brittle paint in it before without any problems.

Now you're saying that the Vmax is inconsistent from 10-15 BPS, but in the first quote you claimed it got 10-15 consistently.
Just saying.

This post has been edited by Panda's Revenge: 02 June 2012 - 12:14 PM

[manosapojr]

Panda, on 02 June 2012 - 11:13 AM, said:

manosapojr, on 02 June 2012 - 10:42 AM, said:

Would this be the pinokio prop
http://www.hustlepai...okio-Drive-Cone

Si Senor.
I play woodsball mostly, so I would say that you wouldn't need more than 12 BPS for woodsball.
Just saying.

phillies0119, on 31 May 2012 - 10:31 PM, said:

My friend used a vmax until he got a rotor. He didn't like it. As far as power. The too IS more powerful. Vmax claims 30+, it gets 10-15 consistently. The too is perfectly capable of 20+. The complaint threads exist for a reason. About your jam, if one broke it is not surprising that it broke a few at the szme time. The broken ball jams it even more. Maybe your settings were too high (sensitivity or speed) and it was feeding more often or faster than needed.

phillies0119, on 02 June 2012 - 10:17 AM, said:

I never said you needed 20+ bps, I am just saying it is capable of doing it consistently. On the contrary, one of the biggest complaints about the vmax is that it is inconsistent from 10-15 bps, which is a ROF that you may shoot and valken claims that it can shoot 30+. About the screws. They are inland and not visible, though I do not like the fact that it has them. The drive train on the too is faster and more reliable. A little harder on paint, yes, but I have put brittle paint in it before without any problems.

Now you're saying that the Vmax is inconsistent from 10-15 BPS, but in the first quote you claimed it got 10-15 consistently.
Just saying.

Thank you senor

[TheGuy]

My invert too has never broken a ball. It has also only jammed once with shitty paint for just backyard shooting. Myn is very consistent at the 12-15bps range and it doesnt break paint if you have the speed setting correct for your rof. I see more problems with rotors than with the invert too. I've shot up to chilled rps premium through it with no problems. I've also used it in the cold many times with no problems.

People can argue all they want about some little problem they had with the loader but i would take an invert too over the v-max.

This post has been edited by TheGuy: 02 June 2012 - 04:37 PM

[Jawz]

JEEZ people put this shit to rest! just tie them! invert TOO and v-max are both good loaders, and it all comes down to personal preference. I've sent my Z2 in for warranty 3 times now yet still prefer it over my rotor why? PERSONAL (insert Samuel L Jackson quote) PREFERENCE

[sticktodrum]

Jawz, on 28 May 2012 - 04:16 PM, said:

Ok there stick to Drum, unlike you i get my advice from experience, not a video, the halo b does not have a good drive system, it is very inconsistent and annoying to take apart, no to mention that the halo b takes more batteries in a day than a vmax take in 2 weeks also the battery door WILL break off with a halo b, while the vmax has no battery door instead it has a slot. The vmax is more durable and feeds a consistent 20 bps which will be more than enough for a regular paintballer What kind of complete NOOB needs 25 bps? next you gonna tell me you use full auto.....

Ouchies. That one cut me deep...

The Halo platform does have a good drive system, and it's likely why it was used for so many years, and why the Magna (and subsequently the Prophecy) used it as a basis for their designs. As far as consistency goes, it's not fair to throw that in there when comparing to a V-Max. The Halo B with a V35 board is pretty consistent up to about 22-25bps by virtue of its speed alone.

Battery life isn't something that most can really quantify to a meaningful degree (I say most, not all) because my two weeks is clearly different from yours.

The V-Max however, absolutely does not feed a consistent 20bps. That's a complete lie, and I've yet to see evidence to support it. While 20bps in general may be enough for a "regular paintaller" (whatever that actually means), then wouldn't a much lower priced option, then also be enough for a "regular paintballer?"

I like having a Prophecy and a Z2 that can feed in excess of 20bps. Most people wouldn't call me a "NOOB" (I say most, because I try not to hang with many people who talk in caps lock). Full auto? No, I only use semi-auto.

Jawz, on 28 May 2012 - 09:58 PM, said:

No they do not "kick the crap out of the vmax." they are out dated and useles with brittle paint i took a picture of one I was using after a dive which pretty much blended the paint.

From my use, yes they do. Out-dated doesn't really mean anything here. It's not a Windows installation we're talking about, it's a piece of equipment meant to do a job. Considering the V-Max uses a very poor implementation of the Pinokio's workings (which is in turn an implementation of the Spyder Fasta), using the term "outdated" is a bit disingenuous.

Jawz, on 29 May 2012 - 04:07 PM, said:

OOOO Draxxus silver, and marbs you MUST know alot! mind explaining that to me? >

I use Marbs. I'd like to think I know plenty. Also, you said earlier that this happened after a dive. I don't see how you would then fail to make the connection that the dive (and subsequent impact) was likely the cause of the breakage. That doesn't turn the loader into a "blender." That same thing has happened with Pinokios, Rotors, and I'm sure the V-Max at some point.

To offer a more cynical alternative, you could have just smeared paint inside a loader. I don't know, I wasn't there. That tile floor looks awfully suspicious...like you're home or something. Wouldn't you have cleaned that up if you were at the field? If you waited until you got home to clean it (after taking a picture for some reason...) then the paint should look much more dry than it does... Hmmm, could just be my paranoia.

Jawz, on 02 June 2012 - 11:17 PM, said:

JEEZ people put this shit to rest! just tie them! invert TOO and v-max are both good loaders, and it all comes down to personal preference. I've sent my Z2 in for warranty 3 times now yet still prefer it over my rotor why? PERSONAL (insert Samuel L Jackson quote) PREFERENCE

Huh? But didn't you just say:

Jawz, on 30 May 2012 - 02:52 PM, said:

The valken vmax is better then the halo too period. 1) it feeds fast enough for tourney's, 2) unlike the halo the vmax is not a blender (picture is proof) 3) vmax is no tool assembly, and therefore you lose a screw4) Very durable material5) no battery door to break6) awesome customer service7) Pretty nice looking!Overall the vmax destroys the halo

Aw, you're silly.

This post has been edited by sticktodrum: 03 June 2012 - 06:26 AM

[Jawz]

sticktodrum, on 03 June 2012 - 06:23 AM, said:

Jawz, on 28 May 2012 - 04:16 PM, said:

Ok there stick to Drum, unlike you i get my advice from experience, not a video, the halo b does not have a good drive system, it is very inconsistent and annoying to take apart, no to mention that the halo b takes more batteries in a day than a vmax take in 2 weeks also the battery door WILL break off with a halo b, while the vmax has no battery door instead it has a slot. The vmax is more durable and feeds a consistent 20 bps which will be more than enough for a regular paintballer What kind of complete NOOB needs 25 bps? next you gonna tell me you use full auto.....

Ouchies. That one cut me deep...

The Halo platform does have a good drive system, and it's likely why it was used for so many years, and why the Magna (and subsequently the Prophecy) used it as a basis for their designs. As far as consistency goes, it's not fair to throw that in there when comparing to a V-Max. The Halo B with a V35 board is pretty consistent up to about 22-25bps by virtue of its speed alone.

Battery life isn't something that most can really quantify to a meaningful degree (I say most, not all) because my two weeks is clearly different from yours.

The V-Max however, absolutely does not feed a consistent 20bps. That's a complete lie, and I've yet to see evidence to support it. While 20bps in general may be enough for a "regular paintaller" (whatever that actually means), then wouldn't a much lower priced option, then also be enough for a "regular paintballer?"

I like having a Prophecy and a Z2 that can feed in excess of 20bps. Most people wouldn't call me a "NOOB" (I say most, because I try not to hang with many people who talk in caps lock). Full auto? No, I only use semi-auto.

Jawz, on 28 May 2012 - 09:58 PM, said:

No they do not "kick the crap out of the vmax." they are out dated and useles with brittle paint i took a picture of one I was using after a dive which pretty much blended the paint.

From my use, yes they do. Out-dated doesn't really mean anything here. It's not a Windows installation we're talking about, it's a piece of equipment meant to do a job. Considering the V-Max uses a very poor implementation of the Pinokio's workings (which is in turn an implementation of the Spyder Fasta), using the term "outdated" is a bit disingenuous.

Jawz, on 29 May 2012 - 04:07 PM, said:

OOOO Draxxus silver, and marbs you MUST know alot! mind explaining that to me? >

I use Marbs. I'd like to think I know plenty. Also, you said earlier that this happened after a dive. I don't see how you would then fail to make the connection that the dive (and subsequent impact) was likely the cause of the breakage. That doesn't turn the loader into a "blender." That same thing has happened with Pinokios, Rotors, and I'm sure the V-Max at some point.

To offer a more cynical alternative, you could have just smeared paint inside a loader. I don't know, I wasn't there. That tile floor looks awfully suspicious...like you're home or something. Wouldn't you have cleaned that up if you were at the field? If you waited until you got home to clean it (after taking a picture for some reason...) then the paint should look much more dry than it does... Hmmm, could just be my paranoia.

Jawz, on 02 June 2012 - 11:17 PM, said:

JEEZ people put this shit to rest! just tie them! invert TOO and v-max are both good loaders, and it all comes down to personal preference. I've sent my Z2 in for warranty 3 times now yet still prefer it over my rotor why? PERSONAL (insert Samuel L Jackson quote) PREFERENCE

Huh? But didn't you just say:

Jawz, on 30 May 2012 - 02:52 PM, said:

The valken vmax is better then the halo too period. 1) it feeds fast enough for tourney's, 2) unlike the halo the vmax is not a blender (picture is proof) 3) vmax is no tool assembly, and therefore you lose a screw4) Very durable material5) no battery door to break6) awesome customer service7) Pretty nice looking!Overall the vmax destroys the halo

Aw, you're silly.

After viewing everyones points I can accept that even though I personally dislike the halo too alot of other people enjoy its use. Not to mention I'm bored of this topic! as for your thoughts on the paint in the TOO I have alife, and don't go home rigging paint in a loader to make apoint . I took a picture it for my friend to see what had to clean that night (march 3 2012)

[Rob-Juskiewicz-PB]

I think someone's on their period... *cough* *cough*
Halo B > Vmax > Jawz...

[Jawz]

Rob-Juskiewicz-PB, on 05 June 2012 - 10:25 AM, said:

I think someone's on their period... *cough* *cough*
Halo B > Vmax > Jawz...

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[Rob-Juskiewicz-PB]

Jawz, on 05 June 2012 - 05:23 PM, said:

Rob-Juskiewicz-PB, on 05 June 2012 - 10:25 AM, said:

I think someone's on their period... *cough* *cough*
Halo B > Vmax > Jawz...

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haha! I'm just joking around

[sticktodrum]

Clearly.