[OEFVeteran]

havnt been very active in here lately... been busy witht he family and such... but, in the coming weeks i may be getting my hands on a Sig516.... that being said, it may be at the cost of selling all my PB gear... as the optic i want is almost 1800... then factory in a couple hundred for a nice weapon light, 250 for a ubr stock, and a 10 pack of magpul p-mags... will post pics as soon as i get the thing....

[Panda Man]

FUUUU!!! Ruger I really wanted to get a Crossover, you Bastards!

[Watcher]

Panda Man, on 28 March 2012 - 11:53 AM, said:

FUUUU!!! Ruger I really wanted to get a Crossover, you Bastards!

I think I just found my truck gun...

[G4paintballer]

Okay guys, I'd like to get another firearm, preferably a rifle. Something in 7.62 (I don't make a lot and that ammo is dirt cheap).

I could get a Mosin Nagant, I'm not sure about getting parts for it though.

So is there any cheaper bolt action 7.62's or semi autos? I'd consider a 5.56 possibly.

And if I chose a shotgun it's be a tactical mossberg of some sort.

[schnips]

New Gun! Sorry, the picture quality isn't great. I took it to the range yesterday to zero it and that comp absolutely kills the recoil. I may as well have been shooting .22lr.

This post has been edited by schnips: 28 March 2012 - 09:07 PM

[Corrupted355]

G4paintballer, on 28 March 2012 - 08:36 PM, said:

Okay guys, I'd like to get another firearm, preferably a rifle. Something in 7.62 (I don't make a lot and that ammo is dirt cheap).

I could get a Mosin Nagant, I'm not sure about getting parts for it though.

So is there any cheaper bolt action 7.62's or semi autos? I'd consider a 5.56 possibly.

And if I chose a shotgun it's be a tactical mossberg of some sort.

There's 7.62x39 and there's 7.62x54R. Which one are you talking about? The Mosin Nagant shoots the 7.62x54R round, and its just about The only thing left that does. The AK-47 and its ilk shoot the 7.62x39 round, which is also fired by a plethora of other rifles, including the Garand-based Ruger Mini-30. The fact that the Mini-30 is based on the M1 speaks volumes in my eyes, even though the round itself is not my favorite caliber.

[G4paintballer]

7.62x39. Should have been more specific But I'd prefer to stay under $400 since I can't shoot much

[Corrupted355]

Then you're looking for a 22. I emphatically recommend the Marlin 795 (or the 60 if you don't mind a tube magazine) over the standard Ruger 10/22.

[Watcher]

G4paintballer, on 28 March 2012 - 08:36 PM, said:

Okay guys, I'd like to get another firearm, preferably a rifle. Something in 7.62 (I don't make a lot and that ammo is dirt cheap).

I could get a Mosin Nagant, I'm not sure about getting parts for it though.

So is there any cheaper bolt action 7.62's or semi autos? I'd consider a 5.56 possibly.

Don't get confused on caliber. The Mosin Nagant rifles shoot 7.62x54r, which is a rather large cartridge that around me sells for about $9 for 20.

The SKS, a cheap semi-auto rifle of similar descent, fires 7.62x39 which is a smaller, less powerful round more commonly available for around $15 for 50.


As far as cheap, rugged rifles go, the Mosin Nagant M91/30 is the best. They are plentiful and usually sell for around $100, you really can't get cheaper in a surplus firearm.
As far as parts being available, seeing the sheer availability of the rifles themselves parts are abundant. You just gotta look online, plenty of people sell Mosin stuff. At the worst, hock your broken one (can they even break?) for cheap and drop another $100 on a newer 91/30.

I have a 91/30 that cost me (you guessed it) $100, and I also have a M44 (the smaller carbine Mosin) that cost me $215 but it's arguably a lot cooler. Both are fantastic rifles, and are hella fun to shoot.

If a bolt-gun isn't your thing, the Russian and/or Chinese made SKS is relatively common. I want to say they are going between $250-$300 around here, they shoot a more commonly available cartridge than the Mosin rifles, and one would say they are more practical as a do-everything rifle than a bolt-gun.


Whatever you choose, if you go Surplus be prepared to gear up with cleaning supplies. Cosmoline is fun to clean

This post has been edited by Watcher: 28 March 2012 - 09:38 PM

[G4paintballer]

The 91/30 shoots a 7.62x54r?

I like bolt actions, but I have no problem with semi auto. And I'd like a bigger caliber since I do hunt, but I want a cheaper round.

[Watcher]

G4paintballer, on 28 March 2012 - 09:36 PM, said:

The 91/30 shoots a 7.62x54r?
Yes
I like bolt actions, but I have no problem with semi auto. And I'd like a bigger caliber since I do hunt, but I want a cheaper round.

G4paintballer, on 28 March 2012 - 09:27 PM, said:

7.62x39. Should have been more specific But I'd prefer to stay under $400 since I can't shoot much

SKS then. The predecessor of the AK, has a fixed magazine so it isn't an "assault rifle" in case legality is a concern.



Can be had in good condition for less than $400, ammo is relatively inexpensive, reliable, accurate enough, and pretty powerful.





Side note, never thought I'd trigger job my 1911 to INCREASE the weight of the trigger.
Last trip to the range I accidentally shot my 1911 before I wanted to. I racked it, extended to the target, snicked the safety off, put my finger in the trigger guard, and BOOM!
I had previously shot my Buckmark for a few hundred rounds, apparently my .45 has a lighter trigger than it does, now, and my Buckmark comes in around 3 pounds or so.

I think 2 lbs for a .45 is too light, so I bent the sear/disconnecter spring forward more to give it more resistance. I got it to around the same weight as my Buckmark, but I'm too worried about breaking the spring if I bend it any farther.
I might just replace it with a new one, apparently Taurus didn't use the correct steel in that spring if it wore out so fast.
Maybe I'll call 'em up and see if they'll send me one...

This post has been edited by Watcher: 28 March 2012 - 10:24 PM

[Corrupted355]

The SKS is a good starter rifle. 7.62x39 is not the most powerful cartridge, but it is ideal for anti-personnel. It's what's called and "intermediate" cartridge, which means it isn't as big and powerful as a full fledged rifle caliber, but will put any pistol caliber to shame. It falls about halfway between a rifle and a pistol in both power and effective range. I wouldn't bother putting any kind of sighting system on it because it's not gonna be accurate beyond what you can see with the naked eye. If you can't see it, the rifle isn't precise enough to hit it. That's most people's major gripe with this type of rifle: the relative lack of accuracy.

7.62x54R is much more powerful, and has a phenomenally greater effective range. If you're familiar with American calibers, 7.62x54R falls somewhere between the power levels of 308 Winchester and 30-06. The standard Mosin Nagant 91/30 comes with a leaf rear sight that is capable of being leveled out to 2,000 meters. God only knows what you're gonna hit at that range through open sights, but the caliber is capable of delivering a killing blow, even that far out. From my own testing, your average 91/30 delivers between 1 and 2 MOA accuracy with surplus ammo. That means at 100 yards, a good example of the rifle will shoot a 1-2 inch group from a bench rest. That's more than adequate for open sights, and perfectly reasonable for the type of long eye relief, low magnification pistol scope you typically see on Mosins. Which means that with quality ammo, a Mosin Nagant could conceivably be an acceptable hunting weapon. My uncle used to use it to take hog on his land, cuz he didn't want to waste good ammo on a pest, and he said it was more effective than the 270 Winchester deer cartridge he had on hand.

[canscom]

How to put a rail on a LeeEnfield hmmm

[G4paintballer]

What about mauser 98's? (Kar98)

I don't know the caliber for that one.

So either I could get the SKS and get cheaper ammo or get a mosin and have some more pricy ammo...

[Corrupted355]

Contrary to the appallingly... um... reliable action of the 91/30, the Mauser action has been copied again and again in multitudes of modern rifles. Any gunmaker that copies the Mosin action would be branded as a maniac.

As for the caliber, the 98 shoots 7.92x57 mm (which is sometimes shortened to 7.92mm, but usually rounded off to 8mm). This ammo is still pretty readily available, but a lot of it is new manufacture, which makes it more expensive than either of the 7.62 Russian calibers we were talking about earlier. The rifle is nicer, the round has a little more punch, but you pay for those extra goodies.

To get a smoother action from that time period, you've got to go find yourself a Lee Enfield SMLE.

This post has been edited by Corrupted355: 29 March 2012 - 12:45 PM

[G4paintballer]

I like old guns. haha

But doesn't the einfield use a .303 or something?

[G4paintballer]

So would a century arms SKS be compatible with ALL SKS parts? If so I may pick one up and make it super cool.

Or just get a mosin.

[Watcher]

G4paintballer, on 29 March 2012 - 08:03 PM, said:

So would a century arms SKS be compatible with ALL SKS parts? If so I may pick one up and make it super cool.

Or just get a mosin.

Not sure about Century, but as they deal with AK clones and SKSs and such I'd wager that most if not all parts are compatible with others of the same type.


The Mauser's are nice but the ammo these days is pretty pricey, and the Lee Enfield is superb but finding .303 Brit can be a pain.
Of that era's bolt-guns, nothing says "thump on it" like the Russian rifles. Ammo is cheap and available, the rifles are cheap and effective, and they have enough stamps and markings to be interesting pieces of history.

[canscom]

G4paintballer, on 29 March 2012 - 06:02 PM, said:

I like old guns. haha

But doesn't the einfield use a .303 or something?

Yes .303 British a kind of cheap round in Canada but for you yanks not so much

[Corrupted355]

G4paintballer, on 29 March 2012 - 08:03 PM, said:

So would a century arms SKS be compatible with ALL SKS parts? If so I may pick one up and make it super cool.

Or just get a mosin.

To my knowledge, yes it should be compatible. If it wasn't, that'd be like someone manufacturing a standard AR-15 that didn't fit standard AR parts. Occasionally you'll find companies that change little things (like perhaps trigger geometry) in an attempt to improve on the original design, but in most cases, the whole modification is removable and can be replaced with a standard unit.

Besides, it's not like you're gonna break an SKS unless you hit it with a steamroller. The Russian mentality is that yeah, it may not be the most refined piece of engineering, but I friggin dare you to try and make it stop working. It's like that old truck you don't know why you still have; it's been beat to hell and back and even sunk in a lake that one time, but it fires up every time you turn the key.

But I can guarantee one thing: if you modify it to make it "super cool", you're going to mess it up. The SKS is cool to begin with just because of it's staying power and it's unrelenting reliability. It's a brutal machine that does what it's supposed to whether you want it to or not. And that's the whole appeal: you can pick it up out of the mud, shake some of the muck out of the barrel, and it'll put a huge hole in whatever you point it at.

Watcher, on 30 March 2012 - 12:28 AM, said:

Of that era's bolt-guns, nothing says "thump on it" like the Russian rifles. Ammo is cheap and available, the rifles are cheap and effective, and they have enough stamps and markings to be interesting pieces of history.

I tend to agree. I've always admired the Enfield and the Mauser, but I've never really wanted one. But I've got four Mosins. It really is like that old truck. You can beat the crap out of it in the most horrific conditions, and you're not worrying about scratching the finish. Partially because it's already really a piece of crap, but partially because it's built tough enough to survive... well... literally thirty-something wars, including both World Wars. And there's something to say for brutal reliability, because one iteration or another has been used by at least thirty five different countries. It's been said that the Mosin Nagant is the only rifle to have gone head to head with itself in battle, and won.

A Finnish man named Simo Häyhä is the greatest recorded sniper of all time. He killed a documented 505 Soviet soldiers with a modified Mosin Nagant. He did this in the span of 100 days, which means he averaged about seven kills a day. These results are hardly typical for that rifle, but it shows that reliability means more in the real world that sub-MOA accuracy. You don't need high tech glass or silky smooth actions, just something that shoots straight. Especially if it's just a giggle gun, like most Mosins are these days. There's nothing more dangerous or more terrifying that a gun that goes "click" when it's supposed to go "bang", except maybe a gun that goes "bang" when it's supposed to go "click". I've fired thousands of rounds through mine over the years, and I've never had any one of them fail to make the noise they're supposed to. And oh, what a loud noise it is.