[Demon]

yeah i just got hit with my first semester bill, nailpolish tape or a lurker barrel are your cheapest options. it will continue to have the velocity jump without a reg

[bubo]

wish the reg from my envy would work.

[Demon]

it should, it should be standard threading.

[bubo]

last time i tried it it had air comeing from somewhere... but now that i think about it the oring did have a nick in it when i looked at it later. im gunna have too check that out when i finish my homework

[bubo]

yup still doesn't work. air leaks from a small indent between the reg and the marker body, and from the look of it, it was manufactured with that ding. and since that doesn't seal when you fire it then air leaks down the barrel, i would assume that this happens due to the first leak causing a lose of pressure or i've got the ivg into far when you put a reg on it.

[drg]

get.lit.up!, on 25 September 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

There is a thing called stock class, play it then get back to us

Trilogies have detents so it would not have a problem.

This post has been edited by drg: 27 September 2012 - 04:09 AM

[get.lit.up!]

drg, on 27 September 2012 - 04:08 AM, said:

get.lit.up!, on 25 September 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

There is a thing called stock class, play it then get back to us

Trilogies have detents so it would not have a problem.

Double feed, yes. Rollout, no

[Buckyboy098]

get.lit.up!, on 27 September 2012 - 06:41 AM, said:

drg, on 27 September 2012 - 04:08 AM, said:

get.lit.up!, on 25 September 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

There is a thing called stock class, play it then get back to us

Trilogies have detents so it would not have a problem.

Double feed, yes. Rollout, no

Then get a return spring doenst have to be a strong one just strong enough to keep the bolt from opening all the way while rested in an upward position to prevent a double feed. As for the accusation that I don't play pump well that is not true. Pump is the main style I play.

This post has been edited by Buckyboy098: 29 September 2012 - 04:36 AM

[drg]

get.lit.up!, on 27 September 2012 - 06:41 AM, said:

drg, on 27 September 2012 - 04:08 AM, said:

get.lit.up!, on 25 September 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

There is a thing called stock class, play it then get back to us

Trilogies have detents so it would not have a problem.

Double feed, yes. Rollout, no

Feed-rollout yes, which is what I assume you were referring to above, otherwise you were making no point.

This post has been edited by drg: 27 September 2012 - 02:46 PM

[Demon]

Buckyboy098, on 27 September 2012 - 02:33 PM, said:

get.lit.up!, on 27 September 2012 - 06:41 AM, said:

drg, on 27 September 2012 - 04:08 AM, said:

get.lit.up!, on 25 September 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

There is a thing called stock class, play it then get back to us

Trilogies have detents so it would not have a problem.

Double feed, yes. Rollout, no

then get a return spring doenst have to be a strong one just strong enough to keep the bolt from opening all the way.

omg... you need to go play pump before you talk in the pump section and try to give advice. THE BOLT PUSHES THE BALL PAST THE DETENTS IF IT DOESN'T IT WON'T SHOOT

detents on autocockers only prevent double feeds because it is a CLOSED BOLT MARKER they are not open bolt.

This post has been edited by Demon: 28 September 2012 - 01:31 AM

[bubo]

to help keep steve from popping a vein this is an animation of an autococker. notice that the ball is in the barrel and then it fires. its not perfect but you get the picture My link

This post has been edited by bubo: 27 September 2012 - 09:18 PM

[get.lit.up!]

What I meant is that double feed is less likely to happen on an autococker due to its double feed detents but rollouts can still happen because the bolt is forward and the ball is in front of the bolt. This means ball is in the barrel and if the bore is too big, balls roll out. Some people need to just fucking play pump before running their damn mouths

[cole roeszler]

Demon, on 27 September 2012 - 06:12 PM, said:

Buckyboy098, on 27 September 2012 - 02:33 PM, said:

get.lit.up!, on 27 September 2012 - 06:41 AM, said:

drg, on 27 September 2012 - 04:08 AM, said:

get.lit.up!, on 25 September 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

There is a thing called stock class, play it then get back to us

Trilogies have detents so it would not have a problem.

Double feed, yes. Rollout, no

then get a return spring doenst have to be a strong one just strong enough to keep the bolt from opening all the way.

omg... you need to go play pump before you talk in the pump section and try to give advice. THE BOLT PUSHES THE BALL PAST THE DETENTS IF IT DOESN'T IT WON'T

detents on autocockers only prevent double feeds because it is a CLOSED BOLT MARKER they are not open bolt.

thankyou!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i hate it when non pump players try to talk about pump.... lol detents on a pump ahahahahqahahahahahahahaha

[Demon]

children trying to talk about a gun older than them... sooo fucking frustrating.

[drg]

get.lit.up!, on 27 September 2012 - 11:08 PM, said:

What I meant is that double feed is less likely to happen on an autococker due to its double feed detents but rollouts can still happen because the bolt is forward and the ball is in front of the bolt. This means ball is in the barrel and if the bore is too big, balls roll out. Some people need to just fucking play pump before running their damn mouths

I'm not sure if you're still talking to me but, the only reason stock class would be different from direct feed pump when it comes to the "hold the gun up to prevent rollout" methods (i.e. the oldest-school method ever) is if you have a rear-facing feed tube and rock forward to load a ball, which may then possibly roll directly out of the barrel. This is only an issue with a gun without detents, because the detent will prevent the ball from entering the barrel until the bolt is being closed, which should be about the time you have lifted the gun back up into ready position. The ball will not roll out in that position.

This post has been edited by drg: 28 September 2012 - 01:34 AM

[Demon]

drg, on 28 September 2012 - 01:33 AM, said:

get.lit.up!, on 27 September 2012 - 11:08 PM, said:

What I meant is that double feed is less likely to happen on an autococker due to its double feed detents but rollouts can still happen because the bolt is forward and the ball is in front of the bolt. This means ball is in the barrel and if the bore is too big, balls roll out. Some people need to just fucking play pump before running their damn mouths

I'm not sure if you're still talking to me but, the only reason stock class would be different from direct feed pump when it comes to the "hold the gun up to prevent rollout" methods (i.e. the oldest-school method ever) is if you have a rear-facing feed tube and rock forward to load a ball, which may then possibly roll directly out of the barrel. This is only an issue with a gun without detents, because the detent will prevent the ball from entering the barrel until the bolt is being closed, which should be about the time you have lifted the gun back up into ready position. The ball will not roll out in that position.

^^^ this is accurate, but solely if the player doesn't close the pump/bolt before it gets atleast horizontal to the ground and even then the momentum from the arcing motion back up may cause a rollout, best solution on any pump is to underbore, there is nothing better.

bubo, on 27 September 2012 - 09:18 PM, said:

to help keep steve from popping a vein this is an animation of an autococker. notice that the ball is in the barrel and then it fires. its not perfect but you get the picture My link

thats close but that is an evil omen. it's a really weird design, if you look at the bolt it actually holds the next ball to the side of the bolt. but the principle is the same.

[bubo]

Demon, on 28 September 2012 - 01:38 AM, said:

drg, on 28 September 2012 - 01:33 AM, said:

get.lit.up!, on 27 September 2012 - 11:08 PM, said:

What I meant is that double feed is less likely to happen on an autococker due to its double feed detents but rollouts can still happen because the bolt is forward and the ball is in front of the bolt. This means ball is in the barrel and if the bore is too big, balls roll out. Some people need to just fucking play pump before running their damn mouths

I'm not sure if you're still talking to me but, the only reason stock class would be different from direct feed pump when it comes to the "hold the gun up to prevent rollout" methods (i.e. the oldest-school method ever) is if you have a rear-facing feed tube and rock forward to load a ball, which may then possibly roll directly out of the barrel. This is only an issue with a gun without detents, because the detent will prevent the ball from entering the barrel until the bolt is being closed, which should be about the time you have lifted the gun back up into ready position. The ball will not roll out in that position.

^^^ this is accurate, but solely if the player doesn't close the pump/bolt before it gets atleast horizontal to the ground and even then the momentum from the arcing motion back up may cause a rollout, best solution on any pump is to underbore, there is nothing better.

bubo, on 27 September 2012 - 09:18 PM, said:

to help keep steve from popping a vein this is an animation of an autococker. notice that the ball is in the barrel and then it fires. its not perfect but you get the picture My link

thats close but that is an evil omen. it's a really weird design, if you look at the bolt it actually holds the next ball to the side of the bolt. but the principle is the same.

ya couldn't think of the site that has more of those animations, i believe they had one of an autococker.

[drg]

Demon, on 28 September 2012 - 01:38 AM, said:

^^^ this is accurate, but solely if the player doesn't close the pump/bolt before it gets atleast horizontal to the ground and even then the momentum from the arcing motion back up may cause a rollout, best solution on any pump is to underbore, there is nothing better.

Yep. Playing devil's advocate however, having played in the days before smallbore barrels and stock class existed.

Now I produce them lol

This post has been edited by drg: 28 September 2012 - 01:57 AM

[get.lit.up!]

drg, on 28 September 2012 - 01:33 AM, said:

get.lit.up!, on 27 September 2012 - 11:08 PM, said:

What I meant is that double feed is less likely to happen on an autococker due to its double feed detents but rollouts can still happen because the bolt is forward and the ball is in front of the bolt. This means ball is in the barrel and if the bore is too big, balls roll out. Some people need to just fucking play pump before running their damn mouths

I'm not sure if you're still talking to me but, the only reason stock class would be different from direct feed pump when it comes to the "hold the gun up to prevent rollout" methods (i.e. the oldest-school method ever) is if you have a rear-facing feed tube and rock forward to load a ball, which may then possibly roll directly out of the barrel. This is only an issue with a gun without detents, because the detent will prevent the ball from entering the barrel until the bolt is being closed, which should be about the time you have lifted the gun back up into ready position. The ball will not roll out in that position.

This is why I had to pump right before I shot last week, instead of pumping after I shot

[Yankee Paintball]

bubo, on 26 September 2012 - 11:44 AM, said:

The Inflicted, on 26 September 2012 - 11:02 AM, said:

Nail polish is probably the way to go then.

ive heard of that and white out. But don't those end up harming the barrel if you ever plan on removing it?

Nail polish won't harm your barrel. It actually wears off with play and cleaning so keep an eye on them.

This post has been edited by Yankee Paintball: 28 September 2012 - 09:51 AM