[Steephill]

drunkenpriest, on 05 September 2012 - 01:19 AM, said:

interesting, i feel that I'm probably going to go with AMD since im not too much of a serious gamer. And like some of you have stated, i can always upgrade in the future

I'd go i3 since it's the 1155 socket so you have the ability to upgrade. With the AMD there's not much to upgrade with. If you ever wanted to switch from AMD to Intel you'd have to buy another motherboard as well.

[Blade of grass]

canscom, on 04 September 2012 - 10:12 PM, said:

TK-421, on 04 September 2012 - 10:08 PM, said:

Intel is better quality and better performance than AMD, so get an i5, not an AMD processor. $750 won't get you a great gaming computer, it'll get you an alright one. You'll have to cut some corners. It's doable, but not recommended. My advice is to surf the web and find whatever games you're interested in playing, even if you can't afford any of them right now, and check out their minimum specs, and recommended specs. Then let us know which games you're wanting, give us the recommended specs, and we'll be able to do a better job at figuring out what exactly you need.

Or just buy this build




Intel Core i7-2600K 3.4GHz LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory



CORSAIR Gaming Series GS700 700W Power Supply



RAIDMAX Tornado ATX-238WU Black / Blue Computer Case With Side Panel Window
HIS iCooler Radeon HD 7750 H775F1GD Video Card



ASUS P8Z77-V LK ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
Seagate 1TB 3.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s Internal Hard Drive -Retail
ASUS 24X DVD Burner - Bulk Black SATA Model DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS

First of all, you gave a 2600k I'm this build, what a waste of time, the 3770k would be miles better for everything except overclocking. Then you gave a horrible case and a seagate HDD, 1333 RAM, along with a 7750. No, you didn't give him a gaming machine, you made him a work station computer.

[Blade of grass]

TK-421, on 04 September 2012 - 10:08 PM, said:

Intel is better quality and better performance than AMD, so get an i5, not an AMD processor. $750 won't get you a great gaming computer, it'll get you an alright one. You'll have to cut some corners. It's doable, but not recommended. My advice is to surf the web and find whatever games you're interested in playing, even if you can't afford any of them right now, and check out their minimum specs, and recommended specs. Then let us know which games you're wanting, give us the recommended specs, and we'll be able to do a better job at figuring out what exactly you need.

$750 makes a shity gaming computer, tryed to build him one with a 3570K, but the only problem is the 3570K costs as much as a 965 and the motherboard!
You have to realise for gaming the CPU is less important than the GPU (for every game except for strategy games), so why recommend a CPU that's 1/4 of his budget, and then end up having to not give him a GPU/having to use the onboard GPU.

[Blade of grass]

TK-421, on 04 September 2012 - 10:48 PM, said:

AMD isn't good, you don't want AMD. Intel is more expensive, but it's way better. With computers, you don't want to cut corners or skimp out on stuff, just because there's something cheaper. Not always, but generally, the cheaper something is, the worse it is.

This is more what you want. http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819116505

Why would you recommend that when 3570Ks are forsale for the same price?
And in this case, the cheaper 965 is not actually worse, it does it's job for 1/3 of the price of a 3570K. You need to get out of the "AMD sucks, Intel is suppriem." Intel is better, but for BUDGET gaming, ask anyone on OC3D, overclocked, Tomshardware, and I can gaurunte that they will suggest AMD over Intel for budget gaming.

[drunkenpriest]

Wait, so half of you are saying to go with AMD and the other is saying go with the Intel i3 or i5. Is AMD good enough for just casual gaming?

[TallThing]

Ubuntu can play PC games, as long as you install some third party software, which is a lot better than paying $100 for windows.

This is shown http://ubuntuforums....p/t-496864.html here.

And yes, AMD is good for casual gaming. my laptop, bought two years ago with an AMD athlon 2 processor, can run Sc 2 and WFC (my only games, lol) half decent, but my gpu sucks, soo. Back on topic (in the off topic?):

Also, remember SSD's, get a fast, low storage one for your OS and games.

And remember, ubuntu is freeeeee!

For data storage get an HDD

[Yumago]

It may play PC games but it is not going to run as smoothly, and you will have to mess with it to get everything to work correctly. With windows you just install and go.

[Stix]

drunkenpriest, on 05 September 2012 - 09:36 AM, said:

Wait, so half of you are saying to go with AMD and the other is saying go with the Intel i3 or i5. Is AMD good enough for just casual gaming?

AMD Is fine for gaming, especially on the cheap. . I'm a "hardcore" gamer and I'm running an 955x4 Black edition, No problems here.

[drunkenpriest]

Sounds good, looks like Im going to go with Blades of Grass's setup he posted. I figured I dont mind spending 100 bucks on windows. What do you guys think about this case? http://www.newegg.co...N82E16811119196? If I buy that case, can I buy any power supply that says ATX12V? If so, why do some of them say 2.2, 2.3, 2.92?

This post has been edited by drunkenpriest: 05 September 2012 - 11:56 PM

[IwannaWAFFLE]

for budget ,AMD will be fine, but if you had the money for like a 2500k/3570k and a good mobo, that would be the better option..

[drunkenpriest]

I wish, to bad I'm on a tight budget. Can someone answer my powersupply question?

[Blade of grass]

It's an ok case, but the one I posted is better than that one IMHO, also, the ATX is the size of the PSU, so, yes, it will fit.
Finally, I'm not exactly sure what your talking about for those numbers, if you'd like to be more specific, I will gladly help.

[drunkenpriest]

Blade of grass, on 06 September 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

It's an ok case, but the one I posted is better than that one IMHO, also, the ATX is the size of the PSU, so, yes, it will fit.
Finally, I'm not exactly sure what your talking about for those numbers, if you'd like to be more specific, I will gladly help.

Do you see how some of the say in the mini description ATX12V? Well next to those, some of them say say 2.2, 2.3, and some other numbers. Can you give your opinion on why the case you posted is better?

[IwannaWAFFLE]

Blade of grass, on 06 September 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

It's an ok case, but the one I posted is better than that one IMHO, also, the ATX is the size of the PSU, so, yes, it will fit.
Finally, I'm not exactly sure what your talking about for those numbers, if you'd like to be more specific, I will gladly help.

I know alot of people tha twill differ, NZXT likes to use a thinner metal on their cases. (ive owned a Phantom) they are nice cases, but CM seems to have a nice grasp on the sturdy cases.. both are good, the CM one is nice , and so is the NZXT one.. its up to looks at this point kinda, what you prefer

[drunkenpriest]

I prefer the cooler master one mostly because of the looks.

[Dogstopher]

The CM is similar to what I have (the HAF 922) and I love mine. I don't think you'd go wrong with that or the NZXT. Both will flow a fair bit of air and keep everything cool. Personally I'm not a fan of the handles on the Scout, but it does have the side intake that the NZXT doesn't.

To answer your power supply questions though, the 2.x numbers next to the ATX12V denote power supply revisions. As quoted from Wikipedia:

"ATX12V v2.1
This is a minor revision from March 2005. The power was slightly increased on all rails. Efficiency requirements changed. Added 6-pin connector for PCIe graphics cards that aids the PCIe slot in the motherboard, delivering 75 watts.

ATX12V v2.2
Another minor revision. Added 8-pin connector for PCIe graphics cards that delivers another 150 watts.

ATX12V v2.3
Effective March 2007 and current as of 2012. Recommended efficiency was increased to 80% (with at least 70% required), and the 12 V minimum load requirement was lowered. Higher efficiency generally results in less power consumption (and less waste heat), and the 80% recommendation brings supplies in line with new Energy Star 4.0 mandates.[14] The reduced load requirement allows compatibility with processors that draw very little power during startup.[15] The absolute over-current limit of 240VA per rail was removed, allowing 12V lines to provide more than 20A per rail."


When looking at power supplies, you want something with a solid wattage, a fair bit of 12A current, be it on 1 large rail or several smaller rails, and a couple PCI-E power connectors should you decide to run Crossfire or SLI in the future. For example, I have a 700W OCZ power supply with 4 12V rails at 18A each. That SeaSonic has 2 12V rails at 24A each, so if you're not planning on running Crossfire or SLI in the future, it should work just fine for you. I bought mine with the intent of future crossfiring, and it paid off: I ended up with dual 4870s down the road. Newer cards might be more efficient and need less power, someone else will have to chime in on that.

[drunkenpriest]

Dogstopher, on 07 September 2012 - 11:35 PM, said:

The CM is similar to what I have (the HAF 922) and I love mine. I don't think you'd go wrong with that or the NZXT. Both will flow a fair bit of air and keep everything cool. Personally I'm not a fan of the handles on the Scout, but it does have the side intake that the NZXT doesn't.

To answer your power supply questions though, the 2.x numbers next to the ATX12V denote power supply revisions. As quoted from Wikipedia:

"ATX12V v2.1
This is a minor revision from March 2005. The power was slightly increased on all rails. Efficiency requirements changed. Added 6-pin connector for PCIe graphics cards that aids the PCIe slot in the motherboard, delivering 75 watts.

ATX12V v2.2
Another minor revision. Added 8-pin connector for PCIe graphics cards that delivers another 150 watts.

ATX12V v2.3
Effective March 2007 and current as of 2012. Recommended efficiency was increased to 80% (with at least 70% required), and the 12 V minimum load requirement was lowered. Higher efficiency generally results in less power consumption (and less waste heat), and the 80% recommendation brings supplies in line with new Energy Star 4.0 mandates.[14] The reduced load requirement allows compatibility with processors that draw very little power during startup.[15] The absolute over-current limit of 240VA per rail was removed, allowing 12V lines to provide more than 20A per rail."


When looking at power supplies, you want something with a solid wattage, a fair bit of 12A current, be it on 1 large rail or several smaller rails, and a couple PCI-E power connectors should you decide to run Crossfire or SLI in the future. For example, I have a 700W OCZ power supply with 4 12V rails at 18A each. That SeaSonic has 2 12V rails at 24A each, so if you're not planning on running Crossfire or SLI in the future, it should work just fine for you. I bought mine with the intent of future crossfiring, and it paid off: I ended up with dual 4870s down the road. Newer cards might be more efficient and need less power, someone else will have to chime in on that.

ahh, that answers all of my power supply questions! thanks for the advice at the bottom! One more question¡ how would this set up compare to a pre built computer from a store like bestbuy

This post has been edited by drunkenpriest: 08 September 2012 - 12:35 AM

[Mocking Da Bird]

drunkenpriest, on 07 September 2012 - 11:38 PM, said:

Dogstopher, on 07 September 2012 - 11:35 PM, said:

The CM is similar to what I have (the HAF 922) and I love mine. I don't think you'd go wrong with that or the NZXT. Both will flow a fair bit of air and keep everything cool. Personally I'm not a fan of the handles on the Scout, but it does have the side intake that the NZXT doesn't.

To answer your power supply questions though, the 2.x numbers next to the ATX12V denote power supply revisions. As quoted from Wikipedia:

"ATX12V v2.1
This is a minor revision from March 2005. The power was slightly increased on all rails. Efficiency requirements changed. Added 6-pin connector for PCIe graphics cards that aids the PCIe slot in the motherboard, delivering 75 watts.

ATX12V v2.2
Another minor revision. Added 8-pin connector for PCIe graphics cards that delivers another 150 watts.

ATX12V v2.3
Effective March 2007 and current as of 2012. Recommended efficiency was increased to 80% (with at least 70% required), and the 12 V minimum load requirement was lowered. Higher efficiency generally results in less power consumption (and less waste heat), and the 80% recommendation brings supplies in line with new Energy Star 4.0 mandates.[14] The reduced load requirement allows compatibility with processors that draw very little power during startup.[15] The absolute over-current limit of 240VA per rail was removed, allowing 12V lines to provide more than 20A per rail."


When looking at power supplies, you want something with a solid wattage, a fair bit of 12A current, be it on 1 large rail or several smaller rails, and a couple PCI-E power connectors should you decide to run Crossfire or SLI in the future. For example, I have a 700W OCZ power supply with 4 12V rails at 18A each. That SeaSonic has 2 12V rails at 24A each, so if you're not planning on running Crossfire or SLI in the future, it should work just fine for you. I bought mine with the intent of future crossfiring, and it paid off: I ended up with dual 4870s down the road. Newer cards might be more efficient and need less power, someone else will have to chime in on that.

ahh, that answers all of my power supply questions! thanks for the advice at the bottom! One more question¡ how would this set up compare to a pre built computer from a store like bestbuy

They generally give you an incredible CPU, then give you a shit GPU, like a Radeon >5000 series, or a GTX >400 series. They put the word "gaming" in the title, but it will not run high-level games like BF3 like you want it to. Or they will give you the best specs possible (3770K with a 680 GPU) but they will go overboard with the price. It's better to build a computer, because you have different warranty policies with different components, and if you want to upgrade in the near future, you'll have a better understanding of your computer, than hoping you won't break something with a pre-built.

[drunkenpriest]

yup, i was just wondering about the prebuilt question, that answers everything

This post has been edited by drunkenpriest: 10 September 2012 - 12:18 AM