[brycelarson]

sticktodrum, on 10 January 2012 - 03:01 PM, said:

Pfffff, you're all wrong.

It's a pull spool poppet push side pull wank spool pool with half-loop stitch on China silk.

DUH!

YOU'RE a pull spool poppet push side pull wank spool pool with half-loop stitch on China silk.

but yeah, the accuracy of the poppet / spool categories really starts to fly out the window when designers get creative.

[andrewthewookie]

Riv, on 10 January 2012 - 02:57 PM, said:

What is this... increasing force pressure controlled poppet? o.o;

It means that pressure is increased to one side of the poppet to get it to open. In a traditional stacked tube gun, the poppet is opened by the force of a rammer, in the Etha, it's opened by the force of air.

[PB2011]

Fuck it. It's a spoppit.

[-ORaNGe-]

PB2011, on 10 January 2012 - 09:46 PM, said:

Fuck it. It's a spoppit.

I prefer Poople

[sticktodrum]

brycelarson, on 10 January 2012 - 06:27 PM, said:

sticktodrum, on 10 January 2012 - 03:01 PM, said:

Pfffff, you're all wrong.

It's a pull spool poppet push side pull wank spool pool with half-loop stitch on China silk.

DUH!

YOU'RE a pull spool poppet push side pull wank spool pool with half-loop stitch on China silk.

but yeah, the accuracy of the poppet / spool categories really starts to fly out the window when designers get creative.

Hah! It was a trick! You can't use a half-loop stitch on China silk, it'll pucker! BOOM!


I like Poople, but would be more comfortable with Google. It's a Google valve, which means it does everything.

[Dave1234]

^ thats called winning

[lovebunny]

andrewthewookie, on 10 January 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

Riv, on 10 January 2012 - 02:57 PM, said:

What is this... increasing force pressure controlled poppet? o.o;

It means that pressure is increased to one side of the poppet to get it to open. In a traditional stacked tube gun, the poppet is opened by the force of a rammer, in the Etha, it's opened by the force of air.

so thats why it kicks so bad

[andrewthewookie]

Actually, it moves far less than a traditional poppet rammer, and does not hit anything with any significant force, so the kick comes from some other aspect of the engine. Not to mention it moves in the opposite direction of the bolt, so, if anything, it should cancel out some of the movement form the bolt.

This post has been edited by andrewthewookie: 13 January 2012 - 06:42 PM

[Danny D]

Thanks for the animation wookie.

Wow, so pe basically stole the design for the legion shocker.

[y0da900]

It's more like a Phenom than a Legion Shocker - but the firing piston is effectively the same design in a Phenom, Legion Shocker, Nova, and several other variations.

[Troy]

Please allow me to ask a stupid question...

In this diagram it looks like the valve that everyone is calling a poppet moves and acts a lot like what I would call a spool valve. I thought poppets sealed against a hard face using compression against said face and spool valves slid open and closed. SO, why do you guys call that valve a poppet instead of a spool?

This post has been edited by Troy: 14 January 2012 - 09:41 AM

[y0da900]

Short throw, rapid valve opening, full removal of seal from sealing member. It's all semantics.

[andrewthewookie]

It's one of those things where it's got characteristics of both, so if it gets classified as a poppet, that's fine. I'm still calling it a spool inside my head though.

[brycelarson]

andrewthewookie, on 14 January 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

It's one of those things where it's got characteristics of both, so if it gets classified as a poppet, that's fine. I'm still calling it a spool inside my head though.

PE doesn't really care what it's called. They picked a name because they needed something to call it. Jack even asked for suggestions in the first thread about it here:

http://www.techpb.co...1

here's a relavent quote from Jack Wood:

"It's NOT being marketed as a poppet. The wording is "Pull Poppet Spool". Not a knock open poppet. Not an inline poppet. A Pull Poppet spool. We were trying to come up with a description that covers a spool moving over a very short/small distance to open the dump chamber. Traditionally poppet guns have there valve operate over a significantly shorter distance than a "spool valve gun" where the spool valve mech actually operates over the 1" stroke of the bolt. In traditional spool valve guns the valve mechanism is directly connected to and works in conjunction with the bolt. The dump chamber seal acts on, in or over the actual bolt. The "spool" in an Etha (pronounced with an ee sound) is seperate from the bolt, operates in the opposite direction to the bolt, and has a stroke that is fractions of the bolt stroke.

People are getting themselves tied in knots over this face seal v radial seal business that they can't see that it is the current nomenclature for seperating gun types that is buggered to start with here. "

This post has been edited by brycelarson: 14 January 2012 - 12:36 PM

[EgoPossum]

Yea looking at the diagram I see the legion shocker and Phenom.
It is a great design and I have to give PE credit, for the money it is a great shooter.
Should be easy for the techs to diagnose problems with the markers

[Troy]

y0da900, on 14 January 2012 - 10:42 AM, said:

Short throw, rapid valve opening, full removal of seal from sealing member. It's all semantics.

Fair enough... it's good to know I'm not a total retard.

[drg]

Troy, on 14 January 2012 - 09:36 AM, said:

Please allow me to ask a stupid question...

In this diagram it looks like the valve that everyone is calling a poppet moves and acts a lot like what I would call a spool valve. I thought poppets sealed against a hard face using compression against said face and spool valves slid open and closed. SO, why do you guys call that valve a poppet instead of a spool?

Because language imprecision is rampant here. There is no poppet in that design as far as I can see, that is a classic paintball spool valve.

[cockerpunk]

http://www.zdspb.com...c/anim_pcp.html

works extremely similar to all these guns. esp the legion shocker.

This post has been edited by cockerpunk: 15 January 2012 - 10:56 PM

[drg]

What's even more interesting is that the Nova was marketed as a spool valve marker.

[xincognitopbx]

i would call it a creative poppet. In spools the bolt is the valve, the etha clearly has a poppet. So it shouldn't matter how it seals, it has a poppet 'stick' thingy in there that releases the dump chamber instead of using the bolt.

increasing force pressure controlled poppet seems accurate