[MIles_S]

TechPB-Mike, on 18 April 2011 - 02:22 PM, said:

also, anyone want an USF NCPA Jersey?

never worn!

http://markerbids.com/item.php?id=1540

EEWWWW got any without the NCPA logo?
lolololol

BTW Chris Railed is a computer eng major, cant even get input sanitization right. lol XSS. failbag

[TechPB-Mike]

Never understood why there were so few teams at these events. There are 60 colleges just in the state of Florida, probably MORE if you really counted.

I dunno, the experience just put a bad taste in ALOT of people's mouths, and that wasn't the intention at all.

As a consolation prize, we'll hopefully take the team up to the Chicago NPPL and play that, and jump over to LL4 after playing the NPPL.

I understand he has an event to run, and I certainly understand you need an established book of rules to follow. I'm no stranger to the PSP and I've been playing that since 2004. I also know that as an event promoter, you sometimes need to make exceptions and keep an open mind as to what went wrong. I just don't feel he gave us the patience and professionalism we deserved at the event.

It's not like it was our "holy grail" to play at CFP. We play at CFP almost EVERY single weekend, it's one of our home fields. Once the NCPA packs up and leaves, we'll be playing on the same field. The USF team has been playing in the CFPS for months now. We just wanted to have representation at the event.

We scrutinized both websites (the old NCPA site, and the new NCPA site), and scrutinized the PBNation's forums, we thought we were within the rules and eligible to play.

[Schuppert3]

have you checked that thread lately mike? Seems its creating some what of a controversy.

[TechPB-Mike]

LOL unreal

so now the President of the NCPA is calling the USF Club a group of "cheaters who got caught", classic

(shakes head)

[SocialPaintball]

Mike, when I saw you out there and you said you couldn't play, I thought you meant just you, you know, cuz you're old. But man the whole team!?

Crazy.

The jerseys look sick in person!

[CrazyLittle]

TechPB-Mike, on 18 April 2011 - 06:52 PM, said:

LOL unreal

so now the President of the NCPA is calling the USF Club a group of "cheaters who got caught", classic

(shakes head)

He's not accusing you. He's just asking questions.

[TechPB-Mike]

^^ And you can clearly read the only choice he gave us-


We did tell the USF team that if they were caught cheating by playing with players who were not eligible to play that we would suspend the whole team.

We obviously missed something pretty important in the rule book, so NO ONE wanted to be the one player who caused the ENTIRE team to be suspended!

We have players who dropped classes, withdrew from classes, have incompletes, players who also failed courses. We clearly had no clue what rules he was enforcing against the club. He made is extremely clear that he was going to be spending a SUBSTANTIAL amount of time contacting the school, and if ANY of the players did not meet 100% of the guidelines (that we didn't know about), THE ENTIRE TEAM AND CLUB would be suspended, banned and fined.

Not just the individual player, but THE ENTIRE TEAM! And he also hinted that this wasn't just from the NCPA, this was from the APPA as well!

Who the fuck wants to take that chance? One player drops a class and now the club is banned, and everyone is suspended from the APPA & NCPA?

We were bullied out of the event. Chris was going to do everything in his power, to send us home. If we played, and he managed to find ANYTHING on ANY of the players on the roster, he was going to suspend, ban and fine EVERYONE for one occurrence.

He bullied us out of the event, he didn't want us to play, pure and simple. He threw the whole rulebook at us and threatened the team with suspensions, bans and fines if ANYONE didn't meet 100% of the rules. No exception, no explanations, everyone is suspended for one player, in Class AA.

[Schuppert3]

Mike this is probably none of my business but has Chris always had something against you or was this just like this event? Just curious

[soccerpunk911]

Mike being an internet friend I think you need a pick me up.

This post has been edited by soccerpunk911: 18 April 2011 - 08:20 PM

[chewiestmonkey]

some one made a smurff acount named "umadchris"

nedless to say, by the time i got done typing my unrelated post he was compleatly deleted from exsistence, lol

BTW
im Dethant Pbn.

[sotwisted]

Schuppert3, on 18 April 2011 - 07:21 PM, said:

Mike this is probably none of my business but has Chris always had something against you or was this just like this event? Just curious

If Chris had a petty grudge against Mike, he would ban Mike from the APPA, effectively banning him from almost every big series in the country, PSP/NCPA included. He wouldn't bother making a scene at his flagship event.

It sucks that things worked out this way - Florida teams are always a good addition to nationals. To be fair, the speed limit sign and material on a drivers license test aren't the only things I'm responsible for knowing every time I drive. If I break the law and get a ticket, it doesn't matter that I went off the pamphlet at the DMV or what the police department told me. The law is the defining authority and I'm responsible for knowing it, much like NCPA players are responsible for knowing what's in the rulebook, trivial or not. Good luck next year to the players that decide to compete.

[Schuppert3]

sotwisted, on 18 April 2011 - 10:52 PM, said:

Schuppert3, on 18 April 2011 - 07:21 PM, said:

Mike this is probably none of my business but has Chris always had something against you or was this just like this event? Just curious

If Chris had a petty grudge against Mike, he would ban Mike from the APPA, effectively banning him from almost every big series in the country, PSP/NCPA included. He wouldn't bother making a scene at his flagship event.

It sucks that things worked out this way - Florida teams are always a good addition to nationals. To be fair, the speed limit sign and material on a drivers license test aren't the only things I'm responsible for knowing every time I drive. If I break the law and get a ticket, it doesn't matter that I went off the pamphlet at the DMV or what the police department told me. The law is the defining authority and I'm responsible for knowing it, much like NCPA players are responsible for knowing what's in the rulebook, trivial or not. Good luck next year to the players that decide to compete.

he does not have the power to do that he runs the NCPA not the APPA or the PSP or anything else.

[Calidrifter]

While the rules must be followed, the APPA and Chris have made no effort to change the most often used link available to players. Thus, they should have been given an exception.

What they (Chris and the APPA staff) should have done was to have a normal person try to navigate to the rules. Once they see that they only reach the PBN post an exception should have been made for the USF team.

In turn if the person had made their way to the actual rule book then I could see USF not being allowed to play.

Also, the promoter and president of an organization should NOT be calling people 'cheaters' on such a highly visited site like Nation. He should have kept hi mouth shut after his 'these are the rules' post he made.

This post has been edited by Calidrifter: 19 April 2011 - 12:11 AM

[garrett.luksich]

w.e. shit happens
it was a dick move.

now we get to go play CFPS, NPPL Chicago and run around at LL4 =)

This post has been edited by garrett.luksich: 19 April 2011 - 12:32 AM

[Scheele]

http://ncpapaintball...PARules2010.pdf

You spend your time and money preparing for a tournament and you don't read over the actual rulebook? You knew several members of your team were not full-time students and you figured it'd be fine. It wasn't and you got boned because of it. I fail to see how this is the fault of anyone but USF Bulls.

How are you surprised that you got hit on this, Mike? You are a high profile person. Of course they are going to take a quick look at your credentials, otherwise they'd have half the industry pissed that they let you play even though you aren't eligible. They checked and your team didn't have it's shit together.

All this is, is a mistake by USF. It's actually pretty minor. Why is this a big deal? It's obvious this is a fuck up so why is techpb getting all huffy about it being unfair. Everything was great with the NCPA up until you get caught on the wrong side of the rulebook and now the story changed to how that rule is stupid. Every college sport has that same rule. It's to prevent colleges from bringing in ringers by having them take one class a semester.
You ask how you are supposed to compete when you can only take 2 courses a semester because of other obligations, you don't. College sports are meant for full time college students. It's how it has always been.
How do decide what full time is? The goverment tells us. Up here it's 15 hours a week. Any less and you are part time. Period.


This whole situation is a thousand times worse because Mike is a shit disturber. Just man up, say you guys missed the section in the rules, and get everything squared away for the nexr event. You going around and spouting off about how this sucks and that sucks makes what the guys on PBN say about you right.

TLDR; Mike. Be a fucking man.

[MIles_S]

You mad bro?

[lord_g3]

Tygur, on 18 April 2011 - 03:24 PM, said:

Is the NCPA run by PBNation?

No, but the leaders of the NCPA are Big timers in PBnation too.

and scheele... it isnt USF's fault because the "rule" that disqualified them was HIDDEN from them.

[Scheele]

lord_g3, on 19 April 2011 - 01:01 AM, said:

Tygur, on 18 April 2011 - 03:24 PM, said:

Is the NCPA run by PBNation?

No, but the leaders of the NCPA are Big timers in PBnation too.

and scheele... it isnt USF's fault because the "rule" that disqualified them was HIDDEN from them.

Hidden in the size 12 print. Go to the NCPApaintball.org/new > college > rulebook. It's right there under the section 2.1 labelled "Player Eligibility". Mike talked big about how much commitment they had to put in to go to this event and nobody bothered to look at the rulebook. They fucked up. It's on them to own their mistake and come back the next event instead of bitching about how the world is out to shit in their sandbox.

This post has been edited by Scheele: 19 April 2011 - 01:19 AM

[MIles_S]

Your still mad bro?

[TechPB-Mike]

Scheele, on 19 April 2011 - 12:47 AM, said:

TLDR; Mike. Be a fucking man.

We read this rule by Josh of the NCPA regarding eligbility, posted here-

http://www.pbnation....d.php?t=2071178

The link above is referenced in TWO locations, on the NCPA website. You can find the link here-

http://ncpapaintball...ationals/rules/

So in two places, it says-

In order to enter the field of competition a player must be a full-time student at the University (this means the school or campuses must have the same admission process). The primary exception for this is graduating seniors that do not need the full-time credit load to meet their graduation requirements.


We never caught the addition to the rule in the rulebook, because we didn't think we were going to have a problem with our seniors. The post above should be edited to say-

In order to enter the field of competition a player must be a full-time student at the University (this means the school or campuses must have the same admission process). The primary exception for this is graduating seniors that do not need the full-time credit load to meet their graduation requirements, BUT must have been full time the semester prior. Seniors who are graduating, with less than full time need to bring TWO enrollment verifications, this semester and the semester prior.

http://www.registrar...13_16_02_06.pdf

How can I "be a man" when the links provided on the NCPAPaintball.org website, in two locations, only gives you half the rule?


You think I would have wasted my time and money, trying to sneak a team into the tournament? We have tournaments here in Florida every single week.

If Raehl wants to slam people with the rulebook like this, he needs to have EVERYTHING in concerns to the rules, posted in one location. Not half on the old website, half on the new website, some scattered on the forum, then the rest on a PDF.

The point of all of this, is that he has the ability to make exceptions for teams and players as a league promoter. He bullied the team into dropping out of the event with threats of fines, suspensions and bans from the NCPA & APPA and treated the players with BRUTAL disrespect.

Why? 12162 (Mike Phillips) was on the team

The problem is that he quickly realized that I don't make any of the decisions for the USF Club, it's not my club. I am just a student / member and I contribute to it.

We all know what happened here, BELIEVE ME everyone was warned well in advance