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Was just curious about automags and don't want to go thru all of the threads on mcb. Heck i may even pick one up when I get the cash

[PBpancake]

Stop being lazy. Look at the threads on MCB. It's worth it.

I wlll say this: 'Mags are fucking AWESOME.

[get.lit.up!]

there are so many thread

[Dev.]

Automags are pretty much blow forward sear tripping spool valve guns. They (Airgun Designs), went thriough a few prototypes before coming to the automag 68 classic. It had a level 5 bolt at the time with the original classic valves.. They all had powerfeeds to reduce blowback to the ballstack. Mags at the time chopped like crazy. The feed plug along with the bolt were improved later on to reduce chopping. Mags now had the level 7 bolt which in my experience work perfectly fine aslong as you dont outshot your hopper. Im pretty sure minimags came out soon after the 68 mags did. Minimags are just 68 mags with a machinegun like shroud. As technology progressed, rt valves came out as paintball was transitioning between co2 to hpa. With high enough output pressures from the tank, these rt valves could shoot up to 30+ bps with progressively higher output pressures from the tank. These rt valves could only be used with hpa and the first ones still had level 7 bolts. As you can imagine, high rof with a level 7 bolt which still chops would be disastrous at the time since they only had revvys. The mags at the time that utilized these valves were the rt classics and rt pros. Rt classics had their own proprietary parts and were not interchangeable with previous mags. The rt pros on the other hand had parts swappable with previous mags. As time progressed agd came out with the emags. These were normal mags that just had egrip like lowers on it. cockerpunk has a video on how they work. Then the xmag along with the lateset valve, the xvalve and the level 10 bolt came out in the early 2000s. The level 10 was a low force bolt that when tuned right virtually could not chop. With the xvalve, it was just the old rt valves but made out of aluminum instead of stainless steel, so it was a hell of alot lighter. The xmags were just lighter emags that sometimes had eyes installed. (A.C.E) I could go into much more detail but I typed all this with a phone and my thumbs hurt now. If you have any questions just ask. Sorry for all the typos, Ill fix it when i get on a computer.

This post has been edited by Dev.: 20 August 2012 - 01:57 PM

[get.lit.up!]

So is the xvalve considered a marker or upgrade? And the xvalve also has a reponse trigger then right? What threads do the mags use? Also good write up dev!

This post has been edited by get.lit.up!: 20 August 2012 - 07:19 PM

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get.lit.up!, on 20 August 2012 - 07:18 PM, said:

So is the xvalve considered a marker or upgrade? And the xvalve also has a reponse trigger then right? What threads do the mags use? Also good write up dev!

Newer mags use cocker threads, older ones use their own weird ass thing.

[Dev.]

Older ones use a twist lock barrel. An x-valve is an upgrade. The x-valve does have a response trigger sort of integrated in it. It's basically an rt valve that is made out of aluminum instead of stainless steal. I have a video of my micromag with an x-valve and SHP tank going nuts here.

THese two are automag valves that I own. The top one is an x-valve with the level 10 bolt, the bottom one is a standard classic valve and the level 7 bolt is out of the picture. I don't have an rt valve though. Also, e-mag valves are another valve you might come across. These are mechanically identical to the rt valve.....they just have e-mag on it.





Any other questions?

This post has been edited by Dev.: 20 August 2012 - 07:50 PM

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Yes, so what mag would be a newer one with xvalve and cocker threads in it but still mechanical? I'm so tempted to just look at prices for one after I finish my phantom oc pump project since these are are presumably better than tippys

[LUXOR54]

i know that prevail has one automag twist lock barrel..

your not getting an automag untill you buy my halo

[Dev.]

get.lit.up!, on 20 August 2012 - 10:17 PM, said:

Yes, so what mag would be a newer one with xvalve and cocker threads in it but still mechanical? I'm so tempted to just look at prices for one after I finish my phantom oc pump project since these are are presumably better than tippys

You can buy an automag new from AGD, but I wouldn't advise that as you can get the same exact thing for cheaper used. Look on MCB or automags.org, even here on techpb. Mags are everywhere. Look for ule (ultra light engineering) bodies with the valve that has a huge X on it. All automags are mechanical except the e-mags, x-mags, and some have special custom made e-grips. Automags crush tippmanns. Go on elitedealseeker.com and type in automag. Make sure you pick 28 days though so you get the most results. There are plenty of really nice automags with ule bodies and x-valves. Automags are very very modular. It's a rare occasion that you find two that are the same.

This post has been edited by Dev.: 20 August 2012 - 10:36 PM

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LUXOR54, on 20 August 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

i know that prevail has one automag twist lock barrel..

your not getting an automag untill you buy my halo

Lol just gift for bday, You may like what I have I'm mind for yours.

Also dev thanks for the advice I will have to see how much it will run me first lol, but I'm probably not going to drop any more than $200 on it

This post has been edited by get.lit.up!: 20 August 2012 - 10:48 PM

[Dev.]

You most likely won't find a x-valve/ule bodied mag for under 200. Maybe a rt classic..maybe.

[get.lit.up!]

Yea I'm just surfing and they are like $300+, is there any older bodies that accost cocker threads or is the ule the first one to?

[LUXOR54]

get.lit.up!, on 20 August 2012 - 10:45 PM, said:

LUXOR54, on 20 August 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

i know that prevail has one automag twist lock barrel..

your not getting an automag untill you buy my halo

Lol just gift for bday, You may like what I have I'm mind for yours.

aww shucks

[Dev.]

For older bodies such as the 68 classic and minimag stainless steel bodies, you would need to get a twistlock to cocker adaptor such as Doc's. You can sometimes find them on MCB or Ebay..places like that. All cocker threaded bodies for mags are usually expensive.

[get.lit.up!]

Xvalves y u cost $150+?

[No Mercy Ever]

Fairly accurate. Updates in red.

Dev., on 20 August 2012 - 12:42 PM, said:

Automags are pretty much blow forward sear tripping spool valve guns. They (Airgun Designs), went thriough a few prototypes before coming to the automag 68 classic. It had a level 5 bolt at the time with the original classic valves.. They all had powerfeeds Incorrect. They came in right and left feed, the Powerfeed was an option, but not a permanent addition. to reduce blowback to the ballstack. Mags at the time chopped like crazy. Again, incorrect. They could, but they didn't always. The feed plug along with the bolt were improved later on to reduce chopping. Mags now had the level 7 bolt which in my experience work perfectly fine aslong as you dont outshot your hopper. Im pretty sure minimags came out soon after the 68 mags did. Minimags are just 68 mags with a machinegun like shroud. Incorrect, as they also came standard with a Powerfeed body, as well as they came with a Vert ASA. The Vert ASA was an option that you could purchase for your Mag. As technology progressed, rt valves came out as paintball was transitioning between co2 to hpa. With high enough output pressures from the tank, these rt valves could shoot up to 30+ bps with progressively higher output pressures from the tank. These rt valves could only be used with hpa and the first ones still had level 7 bolts. As you can imagine, high rof with a level 7 bolt which still chops would be disastrous at the time since they only had revvys. The mags at the time that utilized these valves were the rt classics and rt pros. Rt classics had their own proprietary parts and were not interchangeable with previous mags. The rt pros on the other hand had parts swappable with previous mags. As time progressed agd came out with the emags. These were normal mags that just had egrip like lowers on it. cockerpunk has a video on how they work. Then the xmag along with the lateset valve, the xvalve and the level 10 bolt came out in the early 2000s. The level 10 was a low force bolt that when tuned right virtually could not chop. With the xvalve, it was just the old rt valves but made out of aluminum instead of stainless steel, so it was a hell of alot lighter. The xmags were just lighter emags that sometimes had eyes installed. (A.C.E) I could go into much more detail but I typed all this with a phone and my thumbs hurt now. If you have any questions just ask. Sorry for all the typos, Ill fix it when i get on a computer.

Mars really are great. I have had a couple of them.

As stated, they use a twist lock barrel. You still find plenty of twist lock barrels as well. They also used a wire nubbin for a detent. The wire nubbins's almost never wore out. Some other higher end markers used wire nubbins, like the AKA stuff. It's the ULE bodies that you can use Cocker threaded barrels with. If I remember correctly, they use Angel threaded, or maybe it's ICD threaded, feednecks.

A very simple marker that you could use forever. Although not the most air efficient.

[get.lit.up!]

I've heard with an efficiency insert you could get 1500+ off a 68/4.5k

[Dev.]

No Mercy Ever, on 22 August 2012 - 01:28 PM, said:

Fairly accurate. Updates in red.

Dev., on 20 August 2012 - 12:42 PM, said:

Automags are pretty much blow forward sear tripping spool valve guns. They (Airgun Designs), went thriough a few prototypes before coming to the automag 68 classic. It had a level 5 bolt at the time with the original classic valves.. They all had powerfeeds Incorrect. They came in right and left feed, the Powerfeed was an option, but not a permanent addition. to reduce blowback to the ballstack. Mags at the time chopped like crazy. Again, incorrect. They could, but they didn't always. The feed plug along with the bolt were improved later on to reduce chopping. Mags now had the level 7 bolt which in my experience work perfectly fine aslong as you dont outshot your hopper. Im pretty sure minimags came out soon after the 68 mags did. Minimags are just 68 mags with a machinegun like shroud. Incorrect, as they also came standard with a Powerfeed body, as well as they came with a Vert ASA. The Vert ASA was an option that you could purchase for your Mag. As technology progressed, rt valves came out as paintball was transitioning between co2 to hpa. With high enough output pressures from the tank, these rt valves could shoot up to 30+ bps with progressively higher output pressures from the tank. These rt valves could only be used with hpa and the first ones still had level 7 bolts. As you can imagine, high rof with a level 7 bolt which still chops would be disastrous at the time since they only had revvys. The mags at the time that utilized these valves were the rt classics and rt pros. Rt classics had their own proprietary parts and were not interchangeable with previous mags. The rt pros on the other hand had parts swappable with previous mags. As time progressed agd came out with the emags. These were normal mags that just had egrip like lowers on it. cockerpunk has a video on how they work. Then the xmag along with the lateset valve, the xvalve and the level 10 bolt came out in the early 2000s. The level 10 was a low force bolt that when tuned right virtually could not chop. With the xvalve, it was just the old rt valves but made out of aluminum instead of stainless steel, so it was a hell of alot lighter. The xmags were just lighter emags that sometimes had eyes installed. (A.C.E) I could go into much more detail but I typed all this with a phone and my thumbs hurt now. If you have any questions just ask. Sorry for all the typos, Ill fix it when i get on a computer.

Mars really are great. I have had a couple of them.

As stated, they use a twist lock barrel. You still find plenty of twist lock barrels as well. They also used a wire nubbin for a detent. The wire nubbins's almost never wore out. Some other higher end markers used wire nubbins, like the AKA stuff. It's the ULE bodies that you can use Cocker threaded barrels with. If I remember correctly, they use Angel threaded, or maybe it's ICD threaded, feednecks.

A very simple marker that you could use forever. Although not the most air efficient.

Excuse me for the inaccuracies, I had to type that all out with a phone, was too lazy to type out the right feed and left feed, etc etc.

[No Mercy Ever]

Oh, you really did quite a bit of good info there. Just a couple of things. Having owned a MiniMag, and very happy with it, I do kind of miss it. But now, I have MicroMag with a X-Valve and Lvl 10.