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#1 tubberthump

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 02:41 PM

So I was wondering, is the Etha an inline poppet or a spool valve.

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 02:48 PM

spoolie but they call it a poppet

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 02:57 PM

its not a spoolie... its got a spool like bolt.... but it has a pressure controlled poppet the fires the ball... in a spool valve, the bolt is the valve.... in a poppet, the bolt and valve are different, but still work in tandem...

the way the etha works is the bolt moves forward, once it hits a certain point, the poppet gets pushed backwards, and releases the dump chamber to fire the ball...

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 03:01 PM

OEFVeteran, on 08 January 2012 - 02:57 PM, said:

the way the etha works is the bolt moves forward, once it hits a certain point, the poppet gets pushed backwards, and releases the dump chamber to fire the ball...

It's actually the other way around. The solenoid moves the central poppet back, which opens the dump chamber to the bolt. It's the dump chamber pressure that starts moving the bolt forwards.

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That said, even though the dump chamber valve is separate from the bolt, it still seals like a spool. There's no face seal like a poppet, it's just a shorter, quick acting separate spool valve. However, because of it's quick acting nature, I'm willing to let it slide and go with PE's nomenclature.

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 03:29 PM

its and increasing force Pressure controlled poppet.

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 04:43 PM

cockerpunk, on 08 January 2012 - 03:29 PM, said:

its and increasing force Pressure controlled poppet.

Thats inconvenient.

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 06:07 PM

Cookybiscuit, on 08 January 2012 - 04:43 PM, said:

cockerpunk, on 08 January 2012 - 03:29 PM, said:

its and increasing force Pressure controlled poppet.

Thats inconvenient.

Which is exactly why they went with a slightly less accurate but much easier label.

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 07:31 PM

Im just going with what PE says. Pull poppet spool

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 09:44 PM

lIt;s a spool seal since it has an axial seal and not a face seal.

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 10:36 PM

maybe we should realize that labeling guns according to outmoded conventions is silly and just evaluate guns on their individual merits

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 10:46 PM

98Pro, on 08 January 2012 - 09:44 PM, said:

lIt;s a spool seal since it has an axial seal and not a face seal.

that would make the victory a spool then as well, as the SC'd PE engine doenst have an traditional poppet, but a sealing oring and a donut....

the etha is a push spool pull poppet... its just not a conventional poppet...

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 08:16 AM

Snipez4664, on 08 January 2012 - 10:36 PM, said:

maybe we should realize that labeling guns according to outmoded conventions is silly and just evaluate guns on their individual merits

Lurker has spoken /disscusion... :rolleyes:

But yeah, I agree. The new Dye NT is problematic as well.

This isn't going to happen, because "Spool" and "Poppet" are two easy groups that the gross majority of markers fall into. I imagine, that perceived shot feel and maintenance will delineate the major groups in the future as they begin to get more and more muddled which will create two, practical, working groups. As my middle school geography teacher said (and was subsequently proven correct by my further studies in plant tax in college) "mankind loves to label stuff, even if the label is wrong."

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 07:20 PM

Troy, on 09 January 2012 - 08:16 AM, said:

Snipez4664, on 08 January 2012 - 10:36 PM, said:

maybe we should realize that labeling guns according to outmoded conventions is silly and just evaluate guns on their individual merits

Lurker has spoken /disscusion... :rolleyes:

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 10:12 PM

IMO i still think its a spool. they way i figure is that air has to go through a poppet valve on a mag to fire, same with a etha

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What... is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 10:48 PM

Troy11, on 09 January 2012 - 07:20 PM, said:

unrelated: i have never seen you on the forum before.......awkward

Not surprising, because this is the only forum I post in, and the only one that interests me. But yes, I am the ORIGINAL Troy.

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 06:09 AM

think a mini with a giant poppet

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 02:57 PM

My whole understanding on what a spoolie and poppet is has been destroyed... is there a thread somewhere that can define the concepts?

What is this... increasing force pressure controlled poppet? o.o;

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 03:01 PM

Pfffff, you're all wrong.

It's a pull spool poppet push side pull wank spool pool with half-loop stitch on China silk.

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 05:24 PM

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 06:21 PM

Snipez4664, on 08 January 2012 - 10:36 PM, said:

maybe we should realize that labeling guns according to outmoded conventions is silly and just evaluate guns on their individual merits

Except the terminology "poppet" and "spool" refer to valve structures and they have fairly distinct definitions which are not outmoded. Unless I'm missing something, I see no poppet structure in the firing valving of this marker at all; the structures all look like pretty much classic spools.

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