[Russian Legion Fan]

I'm about to buy a KP, and I'd like to know if there is anything you need to do to them relatively soon. The reason I'm buying a new KP is because I'v got some store credit so my only option is a new gun. I've also been wondering if Azodin will be coming out with a KP2 or anything like that. Any advice you might have would be much appreciated. Thanks!

[bigballa]

Don't expect a KP2, there is the KP and the KP+ which I don't think is as good. The AKP is a pretty good little gun. Get a spring kit and a new barrel and it's a very good pump gun.

[Russian Legion Fan]

Ok thanks, where do you get a spring kit at?

[paintballjohn]

You see if they have any autocockers, you could make it a pump gun then

[bigballa]

Anywhere you get spyder parts at. I got mine on ANSGear.com for like $10.

[MrNelspot007]

Russian Legion Fan, on 15 October 2010 - 03:48 PM, said:

I'm about to buy a KP, and I'd like to know if there is anything you need to do to them relatively soon. The reason I'm buying a new KP is because I'v got some store credit so my only option is a new gun. I've also been wondering if Azodin will be coming out with a KP2 or anything like that. Any advice you might have would be much appreciated. Thanks!

Azodin is coming out with a new annodization for their KP markers; digi camo. It is the same mechanics though, so you will not see a difference in performance. Edit: 2011 AKP will have some new features including a regulator. I use a Kaos Pump with a 48/4500 tank, & I throw my Dye Rotor on it. Its a nice switch over from playing speedball every now and then, and its a great, lightweight pump.

One thing i'd like to point out with the AKP is the "triad ball retention." If using smaller bore paint, you will get roll-out. Even wth larger bore paint id get some roll out while running/jumbling the marker around. I went to my hardware store and got a harder o-ring (its slightly more thick too) to go in the triad slots, and that helped roll-out a ton. I now use a TechT iFit kit and it prevents all roll-out by bore locking, so if you have $99 to spend on an iFit kit... its a good buy for a pump player. Check it out here: LINK
There are other ways to solve roll-out that are little tricks that have been used for a long time, such as a drop of nail polish in the end of the barrel, or a small flap of packaging tape... these can get shot out with time and use, but they make for an easy temporary fix. My best suggestion is to go ahead an invest in an iFit, or use an underbore barrel.

Another upgrade I just recieved is the TechT Hush Bolt. It will increase your FPS on your AKP, I bought it because my AKP was shooting at about 220fps, with the rear spring turned all the way up. You can also purchase a $6-10 spring kit for spyder guns (it fits the azodin markers) these can solve this issue too by dropping in a stiffer spring, but I prefer having the better bolt: LINK

If using HPA, A good investment would be to get yourself a good aftermarket regulator like a CP (Custom Products) regulator. Once broken in, these regulators can really improve the consistancy of your shots by controlling the flow of HPA, thus improving accuracy. They can be pricy if you buy direct from www.customproducts.us but you should find them on sale at other online retailers for about $50. You also need to purchase macro-line and fittings if you wish to install any aftermarket reg... these only cost about $5-10 for a kit. You can use the same ASA that is on your AKP for the install.

Edit: new 2011 AKP will have a regulator on it stock. Ignore the above material about upgrading with a CP reg, just buy 2011 if you havn't already bought one. Or an AKP from ebay for $125 roundabout.

This post has been edited by MrNelspot007: 29 October 2010 - 10:16 PM

[pumpbusters]

MrNelspot007, on 15 October 2010 - 04:27 PM, said:

Another upgrade I just recieved is the TechT Hush Bolt. It will increase your FPS on your AKP, I bought it because my AKP was shooting at about 220fps, with the rear spring turned all the way up. You can also purchase a $6-10 spring kit for spyder guns (it fits the azodin markers) that can solve this issue too, but I prefer having the better bolt: LINK

If using HPA, A good investment would be to get yourself a good aftermarket regulator like a CP (Custom Products) regulator. Once broken in, these regulators can really improve the consistancy of your shots by controlling the flow of HPA, thus improving accuracy. They can be pricy if you buy direct from www.customproducts.us but you should find them on sale at other online retailers for about $50. You also need to purchase macro-line and fittings if you wish to install any aftermarket reg... these only cost about $5-10 for a kit. You can use the same ASA that is on your KP.

those cp regs take forever to break in, and with a pump that is a pain in the ass, also considering how recharge rate isn't a factor at all with pump guns, just get a cheap-o reg like this




how is the hush bolt? it seems a bit pricy, since the akp is only 150 itself, paying 1/3 of the price of the gun is pretty damn high for just a bolt, unless it gets rid of farting, then that would be a decent upgrade

[MrNelspot007]

pumpbusters, on 15 October 2010 - 04:50 PM, said:

those cp regs take forever to break in, and with a pump that is a pain in the ass, also considering how recharge rate isn't a factor at all with pump guns, just get a cheap-o reg like this



how is the hush bolt? it seems a bit pricy, since the akp is only 150 itself, paying 1/3 of the price of the gun is pretty damn high for just a bolt, unless it gets rid of farting, then that would be a decent upgrade

So far, for me, the hush bolt seems to muffle the shot a bit, but as for farting you will need to change your main spring stiffness because the farting comes from the striker vibrating against the valve. Upgrading the reg nor the bolt will fix that issue, and its really not an issue that affects performance... just sounds odd. What does fix the KP's farting is simply turning the velocity screw in 10 turns (this is near max), or even better: drop a stiffer spring in and turn it in about 3-5 turns.
So you may be asking: what gain do you get from the Hush Bolt. Velocity is greatly increased... about a 40fps gain upon dropping it into my KP. Thats more fps gain than you can get from dropping any spring in.

As for the CP regs... they do take a long time to break in well, but that goes for most regs. They all have either very stiff springs or a very stiff washer stack. So if you own a fast electro you can get them broken in quickly, but if you break it in on a pump... ya thats going to take awhile. Your right about not really needing one on a KP though because the intake pressure really doesnt need to be shimmed down because high pressure spikes are not going to hurt the KP's internals. Although a good regulator will aid in consistancy because your not just relying on your tank's regulator to do a good job, the pressure is regulated twice instead of once, before entering the valve, therefore you get better consistancy. As for recharge rate... your right about that not being an issue with pump markers. Recharge rate refers to how snappy the regulator's spring is, and really doesn't matter unless using a fast electro.

This post has been edited by MrNelspot007: 15 October 2010 - 06:08 PM

[Russian Legion Fan]

ok thanks for all the help.

[Slider993]

Although Azodin probably isn't coming out with a new KP, just wait until after Cup. If there is a new one, then there you go.

[The-Phantom]

Are the check it v2 or classics still sold out??

Also I've seen very few people recommend buying a used pee pumped autococker or making a cocker pump building from the ground... All options around the same price range as the Azodin Kaos Pump, but have quite a bit of options that you might like, that won't be found with the Azodin kaos pump

[Watcher]

I know what you were referring to, but a KP2 is drastically different than you think.

There's like a million threads that open and close about the differences in Azodin's and Sheridan's KP series guns. It gets too confusing for us oldschool guys.

Please say AKP in the future. Thanks.

This post has been edited by Watcher: 16 October 2010 - 06:51 PM

[Russian Legion Fan]

Watcher, on 16 October 2010 - 06:49 PM, said:

I know what you were referring to, but a KP2 is drastically different than you think.

There's like a million threads that open and close about the differences in Azodin's and Sheridan's KP series guns. It gets too confusing for us oldschool guys.

Please say AKP in the future. Thanks.

Oh so thats a KP2 lol, thank you. In the future I will say AKP.

[MrMetal1091]

MrNelspot007, on 15 October 2010 - 04:27 PM, said:

Russian Legion Fan, on 15 October 2010 - 03:48 PM, said:

I'm about to buy a KP, and I'd like to know if there is anything you need to do to them relatively soon. The reason I'm buying a new KP is because I'v got some store credit so my only option is a new gun. I've also been wondering if Azodin will be coming out with a KP2 or anything like that. Any advice you might have would be much appreciated. Thanks!

Azodin is coming out with a new annodization for their KP markers; digi camo. It is the same mechanics though, so you will not see a difference in performance. I use a Kaos Pump with a 48/4500 tank, & I throw my Dye Rotor on it. Its a nice switch over from playing speedball every now and then, and its a great, lightweight pump.

One thing i'd like to point out with the KP is the "triad ball retention." If using smaller bore paint, you will get roll-out. Even wth larger bore paint id get some roll out while running/jumbling the marker around. I went to my hardware store and got a harder o-ring (its slightly more thick too) to go in the triad slots, and that helped roll-out a ton. I now use a TechT iFit kit on my KP and it prevents all roll-out by bore locking, so if you have $99 to spend on an iFit kit... its a good buy for a pump player. Check it out here: LINK
There are other ways to solve roll-out that are little tricks that have been used for a long time, such as a drop of nail polish in the end of the barrel, or a small flap of packaging tape... these can get shot out with time and use, but they make for an easy temporary fix. My best suggestion is to go ahead an invest in an iFit, or use an underbore barrel.

Another upgrade I just recieved is the TechT Hush Bolt. It will increase your FPS on your AKP, I bought it because my AKP was shooting at about 220fps, with the rear spring turned all the way up. You can also purchase a $6-10 spring kit for spyder guns (it fits the azodin markers) these can solve this issue too by dropping in a stiffer spring, but I prefer having the better bolt: LINK

If using HPA, A good investment would be to get yourself a good aftermarket regulator like a CP (Custom Products) regulator. Once broken in, these regulators can really improve the consistancy of your shots by controlling the flow of HPA, thus improving accuracy. They can be pricy if you buy direct from www.customproducts.us but you should find them on sale at other online retailers for about $50. You also need to purchase macro-line and fittings if you wish to install any aftermarket reg... these only cost about $5-10 for a kit. You can use the same ASA that is on your KP.

if you really want to prevent roll outs get one of these at a .676 i have one on my AKP and i never had a rollout or a break

[WINCEST]

sheridan makes the KP, not azodin. They haven't been made in over 15 years. You should do your research a little more.

[Tor]

WINCEST, on 17 October 2010 - 01:52 PM, said:

sheridan makes the KP, not azodin. They haven't been made in over 15 years. You should do your research a little more.

Yes, we've already established that. Thanks for the comment though!

[Krunk_Kracker]

WINCEST, on 17 October 2010 - 01:52 PM, said:

sheridan makes the KP, not azodin. They haven't been made in over 15 years. You should do your research a little more.

Oi...this is a mundane argument.

[Yodi21]

Krunk_Kracker, on 17 October 2010 - 09:43 PM, said:

WINCEST, on 17 October 2010 - 01:52 PM, said:

sheridan makes the KP, not azodin. They haven't been made in over 15 years. You should do your research a little more.

Oi...this is a mundane argument.

I agree. Big deal, so what someone accidentaly called it a KP, not an AKP. Most paintball players don't even know what the KP rifle is, so it makes no sense to get mad at them for missing one letter on an abreviation when we all know what they mean. Sorry for the rant, but it gets old after awhile of everyone "correcting" others for abbreviating stuff wrong