[Pump Player]

about 2 months ago i was talking to the god named Mike Casady and he said that it should in launch four weeks from then, and its been much longer than that. please dont tell me the gun was scrapped

[Symptomz]

Wrong section...

[CPS]

Symptomz, on 02 September 2012 - 12:06 PM, said:

Wrong section...

[get.lit.up!]

MCB is correct section for this. You might want to google Pinnacle paintball and they have an overview video on it. IDK what is the deal with it now but there is a working prototype of it

[madsnipes]

last year people were saying it was going to be relesed around March / April.

Product releses get delayed constantly in paintball.

and Mike Cassidy is only one guy, if he gets sick and has to take a week off then everything gets pushed back one week.

when Mike is ready to release it, then he will. give it some time

[NotaSniper]

They had issues with the original prototypes. I thought the last batch of updates fixed them. So hopefully we see them soon.

An I the only one that keeps seeing cocker' pneumatics on the front of this thing

This post has been edited by NotaSniper: 04 September 2012 - 05:15 PM

[Pump Player]

nope notasniper i do too and this is not the wrong section. im asking about a pump gun, its not lke im asking about new axe boards

[Pump Player]

its out now on paintball gateway

[The-Phantom]

MQ Phantom?!



inserts, butter smooth pump stroke, same sleek phantom look, and highly efficient, I can dig it... might pick one up

[smoke14]

Not trying to hate, but is there anything new on the Revolution compared to the Phantom, besides the mini pump handle and new valve system? I know it comes with barrel sizers and a hopper adapter but honestly I don't see anything worth justifying $650+ on it. Is there something I'm missing or is all the rest of the money spent on it just for the looks?

[The-Phantom]

smoke14, on 30 September 2012 - 08:49 PM, said:

Not trying to hate, but is there anything new on the Revolution compared to the Phantom, besides the mini pump handle and new valve system? I know it comes with barrel sizers and a hopper adapter but honestly I don't see anything worth justifying $650+ on it. Is there something I'm missing or is all the rest of the money spent on it just for the looks?

erm... that's kind of a major change... That's similar to asking:

"so like whats the difference between like, a phantom and sniper other than that whole valve thing?"

[drg]

Yes, divorcing the valve system from the pump basically puts it on par with the best pump strokes possible, which has always been a downside to nelsons. Personally I will never understand why the makers of these kinds of guns don't put at least somewhat regular pumps on them. The Thumper and now this gun with the silly actuating mechanism, all they are doing is cutting out a huge portion of the potential market. Just put a regular pump on it!!!!

It will be interesting to see how the hater events and tournaments deal with this marker since the pump does not reset the valve mechanism.

This post has been edited by drg: 30 September 2012 - 09:37 PM

[The-Phantom]

drg, on 30 September 2012 - 09:36 PM, said:

Yes, divorcing the valve system from the pump basically puts it on par with the best pump strokes possible, which has always been a downside to nelsons. Personally I will never understand why the makers of these kinds of guns don't put at least somewhat regular pumps on them. The Thumper and now this gun with the silly actuating mechanism, all they are doing is cutting out a huge portion of the potential market. Just put a regular pump on it!!!!

It will be interesting to see how the hater events and tournaments deal with this marker since the pump does not reset the valve mechanism.

same issues you get with an MQ pump as far as tourney play goes... similar controversy there.

As far as pump handle, I agree... and could guarantee that there is a fix in the near future, from mike or 3rd party

[drg]

The-Phantom, on 30 September 2012 - 10:12 PM, said:

drg, on 30 September 2012 - 09:36 PM, said:

Yes, divorcing the valve system from the pump basically puts it on par with the best pump strokes possible, which has always been a downside to nelsons. Personally I will never understand why the makers of these kinds of guns don't put at least somewhat regular pumps on them. The Thumper and now this gun with the silly actuating mechanism, all they are doing is cutting out a huge portion of the potential market. Just put a regular pump on it!!!!

It will be interesting to see how the hater events and tournaments deal with this marker since the pump does not reset the valve mechanism.

same issues you get with an MQ pump as far as tourney play goes... similar controversy there.

Exactly what I mean. Maybe having to ban a phantom from a pump event will wake people up. Eventually they are going to have to figure out that that rule is lame.

The-Phantom, on 30 September 2012 - 10:12 PM, said:

As far as pump handle, I agree... and could guarantee that there is a fix in the near future, from mike or 3rd party

Well there's a potential fix for everything, but not having it stock is the biggest issue.

[smoke14]

The-Phantom, on 30 September 2012 - 09:08 PM, said:

smoke14, on 30 September 2012 - 08:49 PM, said:

Not trying to hate, but is there anything new on the Revolution compared to the Phantom, besides the mini pump handle and new valve system? I know it comes with barrel sizers and a hopper adapter but honestly I don't see anything worth justifying $650+ on it. Is there something I'm missing or is all the rest of the money spent on it just for the looks?

erm... that's kind of a major change... That's similar to asking:

"so like whats the difference between like, a phantom and sniper other than that whole valve thing?"

Sure it's different, but what I'm trying to get at is that a new valve system, pump handle and barrel sizers are going to automatically throw $300 onto it?

[Demon]

how is this hard to understand yet? they said, once the initial batch is sold off the price will drop, it is only in the $650-$700 range to cover the design and initial manufacturing costs, if you want to piss and moan about it DON'T BUY IT wait a few months for the price to drop or get a used one. also a decent barrel sizer kit/barrel kit is going to run you about $125, the new valve system may cost more to make so tack on another $50-75 built in reg $75 new style of handle $50 now you can see where the money comes from, so shut the fuck up about it, if you don't want it don't buy it.

[drg]

smoke14, on 01 October 2012 - 10:52 AM, said:

The-Phantom, on 30 September 2012 - 09:08 PM, said:

smoke14, on 30 September 2012 - 08:49 PM, said:

Not trying to hate, but is there anything new on the Revolution compared to the Phantom, besides the mini pump handle and new valve system? I know it comes with barrel sizers and a hopper adapter but honestly I don't see anything worth justifying $650+ on it. Is there something I'm missing or is all the rest of the money spent on it just for the looks?

erm... that's kind of a major change... That's similar to asking:

"so like whats the difference between like, a phantom and sniper other than that whole valve thing?"

Sure it's different, but what I'm trying to get at is that a new valve system, pump handle and barrel sizers are going to automatically throw $300 onto it?

It might help you to understand this is a completely new, different gun.

[get.lit.up!]

drg, on 01 October 2012 - 05:09 PM, said:

smoke14, on 01 October 2012 - 10:52 AM, said:

The-Phantom, on 30 September 2012 - 09:08 PM, said:

smoke14, on 30 September 2012 - 08:49 PM, said:

Not trying to hate, but is there anything new on the Revolution compared to the Phantom, besides the mini pump handle and new valve system? I know it comes with barrel sizers and a hopper adapter but honestly I don't see anything worth justifying $650+ on it. Is there something I'm missing or is all the rest of the money spent on it just for the looks?

erm... that's kind of a major change... That's similar to asking:

"so like whats the difference between like, a phantom and sniper other than that whole valve thing?"

Sure it's different, but what I'm trying to get at is that a new valve system, pump handle and barrel sizers are going to automatically throw $300 onto it?

It might help you to understand this is a completely new, different gun.

Yea cause its just a semi with a pump that just loads a ball then you pump it

[The-Phantom]

get.lit.up!, on 02 October 2012 - 06:55 AM, said:

drg, on 01 October 2012 - 05:09 PM, said:

smoke14, on 01 October 2012 - 10:52 AM, said:

The-Phantom, on 30 September 2012 - 09:08 PM, said:

smoke14, on 30 September 2012 - 08:49 PM, said:

Not trying to hate, but is there anything new on the Revolution compared to the Phantom, besides the mini pump handle and new valve system? I know it comes with barrel sizers and a hopper adapter but honestly I don't see anything worth justifying $650+ on it. Is there something I'm missing or is all the rest of the money spent on it just for the looks?

erm... that's kind of a major change... That's similar to asking:

"so like whats the difference between like, a phantom and sniper other than that whole valve thing?"

Sure it's different, but what I'm trying to get at is that a new valve system, pump handle and barrel sizers are going to automatically throw $300 onto it?

It might help you to understand this is a completely new, different gun.

Yea cause its just a semi with a pump that just loads a ball then you pump it

Essentially, if you want to use the same Cliché argument every single person who describes an MQ pump like this then yes... it is

The purpose of this gun, from mike casady himself, is to be ultra efficient... if you don't want to pay top dollar, for a top of the line marker, plain and simple, don't. A lot of people don't see a reason to buy a MVP when you can get a CCM marker a bit cheaper, or even convert a cocker body for way less and have "roughly the same performance" but if you are in the market for a high end, (I'll use the term loosely) "stock class" marker than this is likely going to be one of, if not the best out there.

All of mikes other products have stood the test of time, sure he is leaving behind his roots and not selling the back to basics, clean elegant stock class phantom in this... but the term "revolution" is used very intentionally

[drg]

get.lit.up!, on 02 October 2012 - 06:55 AM, said:

Yea cause its just a semi with a pump that just loads a ball then you pump it

Sorry but that's just dumb. That's like calling a sniper an autococker that you pump.