[Olindo]

It has been awhile since I last played, looking into getting back into the sport, want a new gun.

Discuss

[Olindo]

Surely someone has an opinion..

[LV Backpacker]

Personally, I like the Geo 3 the best, but that really is personal opinion. I'm just not a fan of how the luxe feels, and in the case of both the luxe and DM, I can get a gun that shoots just as well as it in a shocker for the luxe and older DM or PM instead of the DM13. The DM13 would be my second choice, but the 12 is pretty much the exact same thing and is cheaper.

[BurningPlaydoh]

Dms have been the same since the DM8.

Luxe if you want the nicest shot, Geo 3 if you need something low maintenance.

[D.A.M.Baller321]

I'm just gonna say geo3 because I'd buy anything planet eclipse makes. I'm even thinking of selling my dam to get one. That and I also don't think magfed is really my thing.

[Lime]

BurningPlaydoh, on 21 March 2013 - 08:26 PM, said:

Dms have been the same since the DM8.

There's a reason for that...

^{_{just saying}}

[Pakistani]

BurningPlaydoh, on 21 March 2013 - 08:26 PM, said:

Dms have been the same since the DM8.

Luxe if you want the nicest shot, Geo 3 if you need something low maintenance.

please tell me in what way they havent changed in ways that other guns have?

Dm9- improved internal milling making it smoother, quieter, and more efficient.
dm10- new feedneck and trigger design (admittedly still similar to the dm9, but keep in mind they released the NT this same year)
dm11- new frame, on off, and ergonomics
dm12- completely revised ergonomics, new bolt with tooless disassembly.
dm13- externally very similar but the gun gets 2+ more pods off a fill(hell, watch mikes dm12 and dm13 videos and see for yourself)

lets see...
geo 2 over the 1: new milling... revised the shit bolt design.
geo 2.1 over the 2: new reg swivel and on.off
geo 3 over the 2: same everything except with a solenoid restrictor(which the luxe has had since 2008)

luxe...
1.5 over the 1: screws in the eye covers
2 over the 1.5: new eye covers, sprung bolt, and new board.

as much shit as dye gets for "never changing their design!!! zomg!", people need to realize they aren't doing anything less than anyone else in the industry.
why would dye radically change a design that not only works really well, but out performs almost any other spool on the market across all categories.

and this is coming from a luxe owner.

[BurningPlaydoh]

Pakistani, on 21 March 2013 - 10:47 PM, said:

BurningPlaydoh, on 21 March 2013 - 08:26 PM, said:

Dms have been the same since the DM8.

Luxe if you want the nicest shot, Geo 3 if you need something low maintenance.

please tell me in what way they havent changed in ways that other guns have?

Dm9- improved internal milling making it smoother, quieter, and more efficient.
dm10- new feedneck and trigger design (admittedly still similar to the dm9, but keep in mind they released the NT this same year)
dm11- new frame, on off, and ergonomics
dm12- completely revised ergonomics, new bolt with tooless disassembly.
dm13- externally very similar but the gun gets 2+ more pods off a fill(hell, watch mikes dm12 and dm13 videos and see for yourself)

lets see...
geo 2 over the 1: new milling... revised the shit bolt design.
geo 2.1 over the 2: new reg swivel and on.off
geo 3 over the 2: same everything except with a solenoid restrictor(which the luxe has had since 2008)

luxe...
1.5 over the 1: screws in the eye covers
2 over the 1.5: new eye covers, sprung bolt, and new board.

as much shit as dye gets for "never changing their design!!! zomg!", people need to realize they aren't doing anything less than anyone else in the industry.
why would dye radically change a design that not only works really well, but out performs almost any other spool on the market across all categories.

and this is coming from a luxe owner.

For me its the size, weight, and lack of an OLED board while selling the marker at the same price. DMs aren't bad by any means (they shoot great) but why buy one for $1k+ when you can get nearly the same performance (IMO) for less than half that. The DM11 was the biggest change since the 8 in m eyes but those innovations are really due to the NT platform. I just question how theyre still selling DMs for that price without the features of many modern markers. The triggers are "meh" too.

This post has been edited by BurningPlaydoh: 21 March 2013 - 11:27 PM

[fatalreaction]

heres my take on it...

Luxe is just a way overpriced shocker... for the cost of a luxe you could build two, maybe three, perfect shockers that would be more reliable than all of the new stuff... don't believe me price it out for yourself, all your paying for (basically) is a damn speaker and quick release bolt assembly... hell the luxe lowers can swap onto a shocker and vice versa

DM- Playdoh has it right... but it hasn't changed much because it works sooo well

Geo3 - Not as refined or smooth as the other twoand the solenoid restrictor is just a poor compensation for a not including an LPR... but will basically always work. one downside i've seen with all of the recent eclipse markers is that if you take a hard core sample with them they seem to bend like a pretzel...

IF i had the money though i would go with the Luxe because I'm familiar with the basic platform. I have shot a couple before and liked the way they shoot, just like a shocker

This post has been edited by fatalreaction: 22 March 2013 - 01:34 AM

[Olindo]

So, between the Luxe and the DM, which one shoots nicer/smoother?

Also, is there any other spoolies out there that I should consider looking into?

Thanks guys!

[fatalreaction]

i believe that the luxe shoots better, however the DM feels just slightly better in the hands, so its a toss up

theres also the bob long victory Vcom, which swaps from a spool to a poppit and vice versa,

The Empire vanquish, which is basically the same internally as a shocker/luxe, but tears down with ONE size of allen key

and the macdev clone Gt which i don't know much about

[Olindo]

Thanks for all the replies, in your opinion, which gun has the better trigger? I play a ton on semi, so thats pretty important

[BurningPlaydoh]

Olindo, on 22 March 2013 - 08:00 AM, said:

Thanks for all the replies, in your opinion, which gun has the better trigger? I play a ton on semi, so thats pretty important

I really like the Luxe trigger, but the DM isnt bad by any means. Honestly, whatever you go with I would recommend a Violent Products trigger for it, ESPECIALLY if you play on semi.

fatalreaction, on 22 March 2013 - 01:29 AM, said:

heres my take on it...

Luxe is just a way overpriced shocker... for the cost of a luxe you could build two, maybe three, perfect shockers that would be more reliable than all of the new stuff... don't believe me price it out for yourself, all your paying for (basically) is a damn speaker and quick release bolt assembly... hell the luxe lowers can swap onto a shocker and vice versa

DM- Playdoh has it right... but it hasn't changed much because it works sooo well

Geo3 - Not as refined or smooth as the other twoand the solenoid restrictor is just a poor compensation for a not including an LPR... but will basically always work. one downside i've seen with all of the recent eclipse markers is that if you take a hard core sample with them they seem to bend like a pretzel...

IF i had the money though i would go with the Luxe because I'm familiar with the basic platform. I have shot a couple before and liked the way they shoot, just like a shocker

I would agree to some extent, but you can pick up a used 1.0 and throw in the new powercore for about $850 total now, even less probably. Value is relative, diminishing returns, etc.

This post has been edited by BurningPlaydoh: 22 March 2013 - 11:34 AM

[stefan_rj]

GEO3 100%

[kornerkutz]

Have u consider ed the macdev clone gt. IMO it is thr best spoolie on thr market today.

[Jawz]

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get a dm12 just because he can save yourself about 3-600 for it new. The dm really hasn't changed internally but the dm11 and up do the best ergo wise and trigger wise. Personally I like the 11 better because the look of the dm12 is a bit annoying to me.