[IhasAcellular]

MMMerc, on 20 April 2012 - 01:48 PM, said:

IhasAcellular, on 20 April 2012 - 01:35 PM, said:

MMMerc, on 20 April 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

Greasy Balls, on 20 April 2012 - 12:24 PM, said:

tilting doesn't help your profile, because if the balls don't hit the hopper they will hit you. The reason people do it is there's a less chance of it breaking if it hits you.

People do it because it minimizes their profile, making alot less of you to hit and the only part that sticks out should be a covered tank and a padded jersey, allowing only areas that have a better chance of bounces to show.

What you mean to say: "People tuck themselves in because it reduces the size of the target to hit, while at the same time, providing the only parts showing should make bounces much more probable if done correctly."

It hides a large part of your gun, if you dont think it helps, then feel welcome to stick your hopper out first in speedball.

I disagree.

If you tilt your loader behind the bunker, you're exposing more of your mask in its place. Anyone have the links to the old Joy Division snap shooting tutorial? It outlines the concept quite well.

Well would you rather have a mask that has a chance of a bounce? Or a hopper that will have none at all? The bottom of flexible masks were specifically designed to increase bounce probability, no hopper has any bounce chance.

You arent exposing the bottom of your mask...you're exposing more lens.

Plus,coming out without tilting gives you a long, skinny profile which is harder to hit than the short, wide profile tilting gives you.

[MMMerc]

I will agree with that, actually... i can see what your saying now... okay okay... i can dig that.

[UV Halo]

In case anyone is still doubting, I took a couple pics to illustrate just what happens when you tilt your gun behind a vertical bunker (vice a dorito. The key thing is that if you are keeping your gun pointed at a specific target, your barrel becomes the axis around which you are rotating the gun.

In the following pics, the camera is positioned (as best I could) to be looking straight down the barrel, with a yellow reball in the breech. Because of the camera and barrel orientation, the pics depict what your target would see if you were pointing at them.

SP-1 with hopper and 68ci tank:
Vertical- Tank, feedneck and hopper are all partially visible.


Rotating the hopper in, while aiming at the same target, rotates the tank outward. Tank fully visible before the hopper and feedneck are fully concealed.

[Purplecrayon]

Pros don't tuck their loaders in anymore... Any ball that would hit your loader would hit either your lense or forehead if you're holding your gun right. And balls bounce off my rotor all the time. I've had a ball bounce off my lens like twice

[MMMerc]

Purplecrayon, on 20 April 2012 - 02:43 PM, said:

Pros don't tuck their loaders in anymore... Any ball that would hit your loader would hit either your lense or forehead if you're holding your gun right. And balls bounce off my rotor all the time. I've had a ball bounce off my lens like twice

Unless you guys were shooting rubber then i don't really see how thats even possible...

[Talic]

MMMerc, on 20 April 2012 - 02:46 PM, said:

Purplecrayon, on 20 April 2012 - 02:43 PM, said:

Pros don't tuck their loaders in anymore... Any ball that would hit your loader would hit either your lense or forehead if you're holding your gun right. And balls bounce off my rotor all the time. I've had a ball bounce off my lens like twice

Unless you guys were shooting rubber then i don't really see how thats even possible...

I've had it happen to me yesterday actually. Lens bounce that is.

[Red Infinity]

I tilt my marker because it is more natural for me...Any my mask gets tons of bounces.

[Bacon1498]

i tilt mine. feels natural and i think its personal prefernece anyway, i think each way was some advantages so its up to the player imo.

[drg]

MMMerc, on 20 April 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

It hides a large part of your gun, if you dont think it helps, then feel welcome to stick your hopper out first in speedball.

I stick my hopper out first all the time ("roll method") ... it works fine because snapping happens in 4 dimensions.

[RADO]

annnnnd back on subject to the question. i would use less lube on your bolt. if you overlube it it shoots down the barrel and causes spin. there are other ways it happens but this seen to be the overlooked the most becuase people will clean everything and after the first shot it was worse than before.

[Greasy Balls]

UV Halo, on 20 April 2012 - 02:33 PM, said:

In case anyone is still doubting, I took a couple pics to illustrate just what happens when you tilt your gun behind a vertical bunker (vice a dorito. The key thing is that if you are keeping your gun pointed at a specific target, your barrel becomes the axis around which you are rotating the gun.

In the following pics, the camera is positioned (as best I could) to be looking straight down the barrel, with a yellow reball in the breech. Because of the camera and barrel orientation, the pics depict what your target would see if you were pointing at them.

SP-1 with hopper and 68ci tank:
Vertical- Tank, feedneck and hopper are all partially visible.


Rotating the hopper in, while aiming at the same target, rotates the tank outward. Tank fully visible before the hopper and feedneck are fully concealed.

now picture a person behind that gun. that ball is gonna hit the hopper in the first pic, and the player in the second pic. Like I said it doesn't help ur profile it just increases the chance of bounces

[Orange Chicken]

Well when I tilt my hopper in I have the tank on top of my inner elbow and not use my shoulder as support. Feels nicer that way if I do that. Other wise its always in my shoulder.

[Borgar11]

UV Halo, on 20 April 2012 - 02:33 PM, said:

In case anyone is still doubting, I took a couple pics to illustrate just what happens when you tilt your gun behind a vertical bunker (vice a dorito. The key thing is that if you are keeping your gun pointed at a specific target, your barrel becomes the axis around which you are rotating the gun.

In the following pics, the camera is positioned (as best I could) to be looking straight down the barrel, with a yellow reball in the breech. Because of the camera and barrel orientation, the pics depict what your target would see if you were pointing at them.

SP-1 with hopper and 68ci tank:
Vertical- Tank, feedneck and hopper are all partially visible.


Rotating the hopper in, while aiming at the same target, rotates the tank outward. Tank fully visible before the hopper and feedneck are fully concealed.

Ok it may be better but pros definitly tilt their guns on top of that its not even a matter of trying to be more sleek its just the way you hold your gun.

i just watch a video on NPPL las vegas 2011 and even the thumbnail photo was ollie lang tilting his gun, every single player they showed in this 5 min video tilted their gun.

[Lotus]

It does help your profile when you factor in that you have to see. Your head has to come out a bit further than the hopper for at least some of the time.

[UV Halo]

Borgar11, on 04 May 2012 - 10:40 AM, said:

Ok it may be better but pros definitly tilt their guns on top of that its not even a matter of trying to be more sleek its just the way you hold your gun.

i just watch a video on NPPL las vegas 2011 and even the thumbnail photo was ollie lang tilting his gun, every single player they showed in this 5 min video tilted their gun.

Well, just a few days ago, I stumbled across an Ollie Lang and Dave Youngblood training session and, Ollie indicated that you need to have your hopper/gun vertical if you're behind a vertical surface (like a can) and tilted if you're behind a tilted surface, like a dorito (and he favors slanted bunkers like doritos as they allow for a more relaxed shooting stance.

Lotus, on 04 May 2012 - 11:15 AM, said:

It does help your profile when you factor in that you have to see. Your head has to come out a bit further than the hopper for at least some of the time.

But, aren't we supposed to be sighting down the barrel (so the eye is actually lower than the hopper)?

[Kikkia]

I tilt my gun about 30 degrees t keep the hopper out of the way.

[Lotus]

I don't put my eyes right at barrel level. That raises my setup and increases my profile by having my hopper too high.

This post has been edited by Lotus: 04 May 2012 - 03:44 PM