[Etek3am ftw]

im just asking about this marker. is it good? what is the reputation on them? and is it hard to maintain and find parts? thanks

[Klub]

for $1600, it's a waste of money.

[GeezusPB]

I have no experience with it, but from reviews and people at my field, it is a hit or miss (at least for the money). There are some out of the box problems (like bolt stick) and a guy at my field yesterday had his vapor go down... TWICE!! That is a HUGE problem considering you are paying well over $1000... It does come with a lot in the box though. I would not consider it an option for me if I ever got a highend.

[tallsmallboy44]

You would have to pay me to take one.

[Tick]

great gun to buy used. ive found them for $800-950 but even around $750. machine is a good company, constantly coming out with hardware/software updates and parts that are free for owners that have properly registered their gun. its also super easy to transfer the warranty if you do decide the gun isn't for you. great overall gun, but the resale is shit. if you're looking for a luxe-smooth spoolie that gets good efficiency for a spoolie, grab it.

[Etek3am ftw]

but the looks of it just make me want it soo bad

[TechPB-Jaeger]

Ok this is going to be as unbiased as possible!!!!
I currently shoot a Vapor and it shoots better than anything I have shot to date!!(and my clone vx was damn good). In terms of reliability it is like any other spool, you must take care of it!! it likes a thicker-ish lube and lots of it! When it comes to leaks or paint chopping it is simply because you must be able to adjust and maintain your gun! It doesn't just chop and leak for no damn reason! TAKE CARE OF YOUR GUNS PEOPLE. Personally I think it is by far the best looking gun, forsure one of the better shooting guns, and a high-efficiency spool, comfy in your hands. and finally in terms of value, you get a gun barrel kit, a hopper, two triggers. overall a GOOD VALUE.dont look at it as "1650 for just a gun" its not, although the spares kit should be bulked up! and you also get free parts updates. So you must look at the purchase of a vapor in the bigger picture, its not just the gun.

[BurningPlaydoh]

Machine supposedly sold parts they or the manufacturer knew were defective. They're never getting a cent of my money.

[kingJurzy]

TechPB-Jaeger, on 04 March 2013 - 10:05 PM, said:

Ok this is going to be as unbiased as possible!!!!

I currently shoot a Vapor and it shoots better than anything I have shot to date!!

lol

[TechPB-Jaeger]

kingJurzy, on 04 March 2013 - 10:48 PM, said:

TechPB-Jaeger, on 04 March 2013 - 10:05 PM, said:

Ok this is going to be as unbiased as possible!!!!

I currently shoot a Vapor and it shoots better than anything I have shot to date!!

lol

you may think its funny, and of course there is going to be some bias I recognize that, but I believe all of that.....Machine also makes a great sponsor!

[crich775]

If you look into the history of the company and the people that runs it, I would never do business with them whatsoever.
It is owned by the same people that owned Dragun, another company known for copying design and reselling, although in that case at a lower price point.

[What is my Display Name]

Get the Vapor when the Vapor Hopper comes out....LMAO

[D.A.M.Baller321]

For my money I'd wait for them to fix the few problems they have then buy they're product. Yes you are getting a ton of stuff at the price and the free updates is great but problems are problems. But I will stress I LOVE seeing companies really standing behind they're products. But IMO I would never buy a gun from a company until they've been around for a few years and has made mistakes and learned from them.

[Pakistani]

absolutely zero reason to own one over a luxe.

[Jawz]

Pakistani, on 06 March 2013 - 10:30 PM, said:

absolutely zero reason to own one over a luxe.

Not true, aesthetically it looks better then a luxe to me, obviously new I wouldn't buy one but they go for cheaper then a luxe (2.0). You get what I'm saying right?

[Pakistani]

Jawz, on 06 March 2013 - 11:29 PM, said:

Pakistani, on 06 March 2013 - 10:30 PM, said:

absolutely zero reason to own one over a luxe.

Not true, aesthetically it looks better then a luxe to me, obviously new I wouldn't buy one but they go for cheaper then a luxe (2.0). You get what I'm saying right?

aesthetics are opinion. but yes, i get what your saying.
im basing the luxe > vapor comment to the fact that the vapor isn't giving you any huge performance gains over a luxe (or even the new V-COM).
efficiency, shot quality, etc. will be equal in the best case scenario, so why go for the new company thats already had issues with their markers over the company that made macroless spool valve guns happen in the first place?

luxe has years of proven technology, quality, and reliability behind it. why chose anything else?

[Jawz]

Pakistani, on 06 March 2013 - 11:44 PM, said:

Jawz, on 06 March 2013 - 11:29 PM, said:

Pakistani, on 06 March 2013 - 10:30 PM, said:

absolutely zero reason to own one over a luxe.

Not true, aesthetically it looks better then a luxe to me, obviously new I wouldn't buy one but they go for cheaper then a luxe (2.0). You get what I'm saying right?

aesthetics are opinion. but yes, i get what your saying.
im basing the luxe > vapor comment to the fact that the vapor isn't giving you any huge performance gains over a luxe (or even the new V-COM).
efficiency, shot quality, etc. will be equal in the best case scenario, so why go for the new company thats already had issues with their markers over the company that made macroless spool valve guns happen in the first place?

luxe has years of proven technology, quality, and reliability behind it. why chose anything else?

Well as I mentioned before aesthetics's are a factor even though opinion based. Not to mention that idea of "its a new company lets support it" comes in which is also opinionated but still there. One thing I feel that Machine has worked on is customer service, and the companies reputation isn't looking to bad right now. Also I'm pretty sure this argument has been made a before regarding luxes and shockers no?