[bigbubbak9]

Looks really cool, and digging the two piece.

[Av4Lon]

any barrel will do.Curious about operating pressure,reliability,material...

This post has been edited by Av4Lon: 04 July 2012 - 03:54 AM

[Kikkia]

looks like an F8

[livestrong 917]

Kikkia, on 04 July 2012 - 02:03 PM, said:

looks like an F8

Exactly my first thought of it!

[Hitman2513]

Still an electro spyder.

[Nobben #44]

Not my taste but doesn't look half-bad.

Thumbs up for Azodin.

This post has been edited by Nobben #44: 04 July 2012 - 05:04 PM

[Collby]

It's cute.

[TH3-N3WBl3]

survivorspbteam, on 03 July 2012 - 11:54 PM, said:

looks like azodin is going to have a great little maker.

Amen.

[Impulse3159]

I liked the zenith until i found out it was a sear tripper. Then after that i was lookIng for different products. It seems kind of like a downgrade, or atleast no one has given me enough proof to use one over somethIng else

[bonemantis]

Hitman2513, on 04 July 2012 - 04:46 PM, said:

Still an electro spyder.

So is an Ego 11 if you think about it.

[Rival]

Surprisingly acceptable.

[cybermaniac15]

Impulse3159, on 04 July 2012 - 08:41 PM, said:

I liked the zenith until i found out it was a sear tripper. Then after that i was lookIng for different products. It seems kind of like a downgrade, or atleast no one has given me enough proof to use one over somethIng else

What's wrong with a sear tripper? Do you shoot cockers?

[robot0ninja]

HU Soldier, on 03 July 2012 - 04:54 PM, said:

looks like a wanna be ego lol

Just cause of its double stacked tube design? It looks nothing like an ego.

On a side note, that trigger looks a lot like the triggers they have now, and they are shit.

[Impulse3159]

cybermaniac15, on 05 July 2012 - 01:26 PM, said:

Impulse3159, on 04 July 2012 - 08:41 PM, said:

I liked the zenith until i found out it was a sear tripper. Then after that i was lookIng for different products. It seems kind of like a downgrade, or atleast no one has given me enough proof to use one over somethIng else

What's wrong with a sear tripper? Do you shoot cockers?

Idk it just seems less advanced compared to other markers.

[Panda Man]

doesn't look bad. I love to see companies flood the market with ... Lower tier mid-ends ... Makes it a slug fest for companies wanting your Cash.

The only thing I'm kinda skeptical about is the Trigger, I really hope it's not a sensor style trigger.

[Hitman2513]

bonemantis, on 05 July 2012 - 12:31 PM, said:

Hitman2513, on 04 July 2012 - 04:46 PM, said:

Still an electro spyder.

So is an Ego 11 if you think about it.

No an Ego doesn't use a pancake solenoid and has a set dwell time

[paintballguy2255]

IMO it looks pretty badass.Hopefully it will be one of a few good cheap electros.If you think about it,it might be like a GOG envy vs.extcy thing:just a normal zenith on steroids.

[unfated33]

paintballguy2255, on 06 July 2012 - 12:27 AM, said:

IMO it looks pretty badass.Hopefully it will be one of a few good cheap electros.If you think about it,it might be like a GOG envy vs.extcy thing:just a normal zenith on steroids.

I wish we knew more, but I'm going to venture out on a limb and say I don't think so. Azodin announced they were releasing an electropneumatic and a spool this year. This clearly is not a spool design with the stacked tubes.

Assuming they meant electropneumatic in the most literal and accurate sense, the firing type is going to be more like the PE Ego line - using pressured air to blow the bolt forward before the escape air chamber marries up with the firing of the ball. The Zenith type 1 uses a spring to move the bolt forward instead. It depends on how they price it, but assuming it's near $300 this will be a direct competitor for the other low-priced true electropneumatic in the Dangerous Power G4. If they price it near $450 then it will be a direct competitor to the next closest true electropneumatic which is the Etek. I'm betting they market it around the $300 mark and try to push dP out of the arena with better quality and customer service.

Now, I see a lot of comments regarding the Zenith as being just like a Spyder electro, but that completely ignores how the two-spring system of the drive and ZeRO recoil work. Yes, it's sear with springs and not pneumatic, but you're balancing both sides of the valve to a lower pressure requirement and lower kick. It's going to be quieter and smoother than any other stacked tube poppet FASOR (or similar) design in a significant price band around it (that would be the Spyders, the G4, and the etek), and maybe even the smoothest stacked tube poppet on the new market (at the cost of efficiency comparative). EDIT: I'm just not sure that comment can stand against a BL, Alien, Cyborg, etc.

This post has been edited by Unfated33: 06 July 2012 - 10:09 AM

[The Inflicted]

The balanced-valve "VS" Spyders worked at an even lower pressure/spring rate than the Zenith, though Kingman eventually dropped the idea in favor of the simplicity of the eKo valve running higher working pressures to deliver better efficiency. In the entry-level game, that was probably the smart way to go.

Anyway, I'd be willing to bet the new Zenith is another glorified E-Spyder just like the first one, albeit with more ambitious milling and coloration.

This post has been edited by The Inflicted: 06 July 2012 - 02:48 PM

[unfated33]

Ah, I've certainly learned something new today - The Spyder VS series flew right by during my absence from paintball. I'm not sure they were discontinued voluntarily, though. The VS1 was released in 2006, and the VS3 was discontinued in 2008 - however, that is the time period where Eric Wang left Kingman and started Azodin. Within a few months of the VS3 being discontinued the Zenith hits the shelves. I'm not sure what the terms were, but it's equally plausible that Eric took the designer talent pool or design with him as that Kingman abandoned it for an alternate valve.

One thing I do notice that makes a big difference from the ZeRO and the VS-series, is that the ZeRO is adjustable. Taking the tension off the cup seal lowers the kick considerably and the volume slightly at the sacrifice of efficiency.

I must say, though, putting them side-to-side like that, your assertion about same style with new milling appears apt. Still, I think the entry-level poppet market gets a bad rap due to Kingman and not necessarily the recoil-less stacked-tube blowback. Particularly when the main complaint was twistlock feedneck which they've apparently replaced with a clamping style.