Bolt Speed

Bolt Speed ???????????

#1 soccer9kt

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 04:37 PM

Is the Geo 3 the only marker on the market that lets you adjust your bolt speed? I love the way the Geo 3 shoots but I can't spend 1.3k on a new gun...

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 04:40 PM

im pretty sure that the adjustable solenoid on the geo3 acts like a lpr.

someone correct me if im wrong

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 04:45 PM

Are you sure? I thought it adjusted the speed of how fast the bolt was moving....
Or at least that's what Mike said....
http://www.youtube.c...n&v=b7tN8blFe3w

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 04:56 PM

I control the bolt speed on my pump, and it was $90. And it shoots great!

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 05:00 PM

soccer9kt, on 30 November 2012 - 04:45 PM, said:

Are you sure? I thought it adjusted the speed of how fast the bolt was moving....
Or at least that's what Mike said....
http://www.youtube.c...n&v=b7tN8blFe3w

It does adjust the speed, but what does an LPR do?
An LPR regulates the air which is used to move the bolt forward and back.
Wouldn't it make sense that a higher LPR pressure = more force pushing bolt = faster bolt speed.
But yet again I may be wrong on this and if I am, then someone please correct me.

Anyways why does having a bolt speed adjustment even matter? Im pretty sure that the only other gun with an adjustable solenoid like the geo3 is the ego11.
if you want a gun that you can tune in a similar way then get a DM.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 05:20 PM

Basicly... I love the smooth shot the Geo 3 offers when you set the bolt speed to slow... but, i don't have the $ for one... I only have about 600$

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 05:23 PM

Your LPR controls how much force is moving the bolt back and forth. The dwell is what will make it cycle faster or slower. So on a poppet a higher LPR and lower dwell will result in a higher ROF and greater efficiency, but it will have a rougher shot. With a lower LPR and higher dwell the bolt isnt slamming back and forth as quickly and as hard so your shot will be softer, but you sacrifice efficiency because the dwell is holding the poppet open longer.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 07:30 PM

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 08:17 PM

madsnipes, on 30 November 2012 - 04:40 PM, said:

im pretty sure that the adjustable solenoid on the geo3 acts like a lpr.

someone correct me if im wrong

The adjustments on the Geo 3 allow you to control the exhaust speed of the air holding the bolt back. The force pushing the bolt forwards comes from the dump chamber, and does not change. You are simply allowing the bolt to be pushed faster or slower by that dump chamber force.

madsnipes, on 30 November 2012 - 05:00 PM, said:

An LPR changes the force on the bolt. The bolt speed may change slightly within a given system, but not enough to notice a difference. The big difference with an LPR change is the force of the impact at the ends of the cycle. To change the bolt speed drastically, we restrict or open the exhaust flow from the solenoid, so it changes the speed to a much greater extent, and affecting the overall "feel" of the shot. Slower bolt speeds equal a less perceived "kick."

Beau A, on 30 November 2012 - 05:23 PM, said:

Dwell does not change bolt speed, it is simply a measurement of time for the solenoid to be open. A lower dwell simply allows the gun to cycle more times per second that it would with a higher dwell.

This post has been edited by andrewthewookie: 30 November 2012 - 08:21 PM