[pb4bean]

tear4, on Mar 5 2009, 12:44 PM, said:

Most of these cases are people with walmart guns that they bought for twenty bucks going on a night shooting spree because they think it is funny. It sucks that the people who play paintball all the time get punished for the mistakes of stupid people looking to do damage

want to know why? people don't take the time out to see that individual as a vandal, but as a paintball. even though they didnt do anything wrong, people are still just as ignorent as ever. do i blame them? no. do i think what they do, as far as ban "paintball" is right? fuck that. true paintballers need to give as good of an impression as we can to the rest of us

[Ice_Chip]

American society is rank with idiots on both sides of this very type of problem.

Here's an equation which will spell doom for paintball: Legislators + Frightened Taxpayers = Laws banning paintball

The ONLY thing people see is vandalism. They don't see competitions. They don't see the old guy helping the new player at the woodsball field. They don't see team cooperation. Although sometimes I think how little people actually do see is a good thing given the extremely shitty attitudes some tournament players have.

Guys, you need to be getting in touch with your local, state, and federal lawmakers. Don't just roll over and take it. I don't care if you are 11, 15, or 40 - where there is a will there's a way. Invite your Mayor to a paintball game. Write a position paper, or an essay about the merits of paintball. Make it clear that law-abiding citizens such as yourselfs are NOT participating in unlawful activity, nor do you condone it.

The absolute best way to help Paintball is by educating the people that make the laws.

[RealtorTommy]

Well this is a problem....I go to the State Capitol here in Florida to represent the builders association once or twice a year...Last year there was some rumblings about a politician submitting a law to only allow paintball on a business run field...that means no paintball on private land....Lucky for us nothing came about it...

This post has been edited by RealtorTommy: 05 March 2009 - 10:51 PM

[Evil Fingers]

You might as well call me a Frightened Tax Payer, because part of my Taxes is what is going to be used to Clean and or Repair what has been Vandalized to be Restored to its Original State

[jester]

i hate people.

[Woody]

"If we stretch the numbers to cover the entire country, we could be looking at 2.7 million vandalism incidents per year. That number bears absolutely no scientific scrutiny whatsoever"

The numbers are made up. But this shows you what politicians will do to ge what they want. Its the same thing with firearms, they make up some numbers and then people just take those numbers to be fact and we loose abit of our rights or sport that we love. Now do I like people using paintball gear to vandalise stuff? Of course not. However if you take away the paintball guns, the bb guns, the sling shots, the airsoft, and any other thing you can shoot what will the people that vandalise stuff use? Simple rocks, sticks, anything they can pick up and throw or smash into something. Same thing with guns, you take the guns they use a knife, you take the knives they us clubs, you take the clubs they use their bare hands.

This post has been edited by Woody: 05 March 2009 - 11:38 PM

[jimjam5000]

Evil Fingers, on Mar 5 2009, 08:57 PM, said:

Iram, on Mar 5 2009, 05:35 PM, said:

Boogie, on Mar 5 2009, 06:19 PM, said:

I don't really have anything to say about those statistics, but they banned paintball guns from being discharged within city limits in Lexington, KY. The only time anyone can shoot a paintball gun there is inside an indoor arena. The really bad part is since they voted to extend the city limits to the county line, paintball is effectively banned in all of Fayette county, which a good part of it is still rural.

That was a very useful post. I was actually thinking about seeing what it would take to get transfered from Massachusetts to Lexington, KY. I had no idea paintball was a legal issue there. Thanks.

Lexington isnt the only city that placed in an Ordinance in the Banning of Paintball Guns, BB Guns and Airsoft Guns, because its the same here in San Francisco, Ca.

really? there are a few teams that are in san francisco. i suppose they dont want a bunch of teenagers shooting up tourists though. bad for the local economy.

i diddnt even know it was banned and i only live an hour away from san francisco.

[Evil Fingers]

jimjam5000, on Mar 5 2009, 09:12 PM, said:

really? there are a few teams that are in san francisco. i suppose they dont want a bunch of teenagers shooting up tourists though. bad for the local economy.

i diddnt even know it was banned and i only live an hour away from san francisco.

There are a few Teams in SF, where they got their Markers is outside City Limits and the Ban has been in effect since the early 90's after a string of incidents in the city involving Paintball and Airsoft Guns were used for intimidation and the last known incident was when a teenage broke into Lowell High School and pointed an Airsoft Pistol in the direction of the Police Officers that responded to the Burglar Alarm and drew out their Guns and luckily for the teen, the cops knew right away that the pistol wasnt an actual firearm and immediately arrested him when he attempted to run.

And heres one incident that was never reported to SFPD, back in 2005 a friend of mine that worked at the Night Club I work at (I had the night off), called me up to inform me that a couple of guys in a car did a Paintball Drive By, luckily the Drive By happened after the Club had closed for the night, but if the Drive By wouldve happened earlier that night, more than a dozen Club Goers wouldve been hit.

[Iram]

Evil Fingers, on Mar 5 2009, 08:57 PM, said:

Iram, on Mar 5 2009, 05:35 PM, said:

Boogie, on Mar 5 2009, 06:19 PM, said:

I don't really have anything to say about those statistics, but they banned paintball guns from being discharged within city limits in Lexington, KY. The only time anyone can shoot a paintball gun there is inside an indoor arena. The really bad part is since they voted to extend the city limits to the county line, paintball is effectively banned in all of Fayette county, which a good part of it is still rural.

That was a very useful post. I was actually thinking about seeing what it would take to get transfered from Massachusetts to Lexington, KY. I had no idea paintball was a legal issue there. Thanks.

Lexington isnt the only city that placed in an Ordinance in the Banning of Paintball Guns, BB Guns and Airsoft Guns, because its the same here in San Francisco, Ca.

Yeah, but there's no way I'd move to the most agg, anti-gun city in the US.

[trippleRipple]

If Mike saw the signs on the way to the PSP event then it was people on the way to the event that did the firing; not people leaving the event with new gear <wink>. Besides either/or is inexcusable. And eliminating Wal-Mart is not a solution; nor is banning PB equipment. One is as stupid as the other.

I have seen countless speed limit signs shot with all sorts of ammunition; 22 cal, 45 cal, 12 gauge….the list goes on. This is not a PB issue so much as it’s a societal issue. The basic fundamental that our country was built on is that one citizen’s rights end were the next citizens rights begin. Laws need to be established to protect the citizens from people who don’t follow this basic social construct.

By the way your paintball marker is considered a firearm by the law. Just about every city in America has laws on the books preventing the discharge of firearms within the city limits; check it out. I know mine does.

Please don’t read my post and think that I am for banning PB markers outside the fields; by no means. I wrote this to let you all know the law is not on our side. We need to be respectful of the rights of everyone around us and not defend those that choose to act irresponsibly and immaturely. If we don’t make a target of ourselves we are more likely to get to live peacefully. If we do make targets of ourselves we are likely to bring the full weight of the government on us.

By the way I do practice in the backyard.

[Evil Fingers]

Iram, on Mar 6 2009, 03:30 AM, said:

Evil Fingers, on Mar 5 2009, 08:57 PM, said:

Iram, on Mar 5 2009, 05:35 PM, said:

Boogie, on Mar 5 2009, 06:19 PM, said:

I don't really have anything to say about those statistics, but they banned paintball guns from being discharged within city limits in Lexington, KY. The only time anyone can shoot a paintball gun there is inside an indoor arena. The really bad part is since they voted to extend the city limits to the county line, paintball is effectively banned in all of Fayette county, which a good part of it is still rural.

That was a very useful post. I was actually thinking about seeing what it would take to get transfered from Massachusetts to Lexington, KY. I had no idea paintball was a legal issue there. Thanks.

Lexington isnt the only city that placed in an Ordinance in the Banning of Paintball Guns, BB Guns and Airsoft Guns, because its the same here in San Francisco, Ca.

Yeah, but there's no way I'd move to the most agg, anti-gun city in the US.

Who said anything about moving and whoever said that SF is the Most Anti-Gun City in the US, except you?

Also there are 1000's of Registered Gun Owners in SF and support the Rights to Bare Arms and Im not the only one in SF that supports the NRA.

[the stuntman]

I agree with Sticktodrum...yes, paintball related vandalism is a real problem, but I dont believe the numbers in that article for a second. Self-serving fear mongering, trying to get people all worked up over nothing. Show me some REAL numbers, gathered by independant professional journalists & subject to statistcal review...then maybe I'll take this seriously.

[shooptek]

Looks like the only way something like that is going to happen, is if you do it yourself unfortunately.

[MrSandwich]

pb4bean, on Mar 5 2009, 08:36 PM, said:

true paintballers need to give as good of an impression as we can to the rest of us

Well it was True Paintballers who lit up signs on the way to the PSP Event. We just have to be more mature, there's too many jerks in paintball. But yes we all need to make good impressions

trippleRipple, on Mar 6 2009, 08:04 AM, said:

By the way your paintball marker is considered a firearm by the law.

Here in Texas it isn't, but elsewhere we do have to be very careful. You'd be surprised how many people think paintballs just 3 guys buying walmart guns to shoot and hurt each other in the woods, and I mean really surprised. Almost everybody

10 million people a year play paintball? Then there's 290 million people in America who didn't play paintball last year, and all their neighborhood's stop sign just got lit up! I hate it when people dick around with our sport

[Iram]

Evil Fingers, on Mar 6 2009, 11:22 AM, said:

Iram, on Mar 6 2009, 03:30 AM, said:

Evil Fingers, on Mar 5 2009, 08:57 PM, said:

Iram, on Mar 5 2009, 05:35 PM, said:

Boogie, on Mar 5 2009, 06:19 PM, said:

I don't really have anything to say about those statistics, but they banned paintball guns from being discharged within city limits in Lexington, KY. The only time anyone can shoot a paintball gun there is inside an indoor arena. The really bad part is since they voted to extend the city limits to the county line, paintball is effectively banned in all of Fayette county, which a good part of it is still rural.

That was a very useful post. I was actually thinking about seeing what it would take to get transfered from Massachusetts to Lexington, KY. I had no idea paintball was a legal issue there. Thanks.

Lexington isnt the only city that placed in an Ordinance in the Banning of Paintball Guns, BB Guns and Airsoft Guns, because its the same here in San Francisco, Ca.

Yeah, but there's no way I'd move to the most agg, anti-gun city in the US.

Who said anything about moving and whoever said that SF is the Most Anti-Gun City in the US, except you?

Also there are 1000's of Registered Gun Owners in SF and support the Rights to Bare Arms and Im not the only one in SF that supports the NRA.

Brady campaign rates California as "The state with the strongest gun laws." http://www.stategunlaws.org/. SF may not be the worst city, but it's in the worst state.

As for who mentioned moving, I did. You even quoted me. I've highlighted it in red to make it easy to spot.

[68caliber]

"If we stretch the numbers to cover the entire country, we could be looking at 2.7 million vandalism incidents per year. That number bears absolutely no scientific scrutiny whatsoever"

2.7 million was arrived at the simple process of taking the annual average of incident reports in Cedar Rapids, dividing it into the stated current population of Cedar Rapids (which resulted in one incident of vandalism per 105 residents) and applying that number to the total population of the United States.

And since that was only one quick way of deriving the number, I made sure to clearly state that it was to be accorded no reliance at all - except as a way to bring attention to the fact that a lot of it goes on.

On the other hand - and I kid you not at all here - someone could make a VERY nice living if they could figure out how to purchase all of the guns that get confiscated by PDs all over the country.

Police departments are fairly quiet about this kind of thing, but they do book enough cases of 'paintball vandalism' to be discussing it amongst themselves as a growing nuisance and, as others have pointed out, sometimes enough to become actively involved in the legislative process.

[Odin1eyeD]

Hell, its nothing that doesn't already happen with any number of other objects that serve as the catalyst for a bored youth's entertainment. If it weren't a paintball gun, it would be a baseball bat, or toilet paper, or a real gun. Does it concern me? Not in the least. Should it? Before I answer that, let me ask you all something first: Was there ever a moment in your life when you were guaranteed an insurance and safeguard against every possible and improbable environmental hazard out there, be it natural or no? Didn't think so. There is no insurance in this life. You live, you get hurt, you (probably, in many cases) cry like a little bitch, then you move on and get tougher and wiser. Worst case scenario: you die. Such is life. (Don't help crying about it or trying to corrupt and enslave the entire system or populace over it!) Do I think these little punks are cool or right in any way? Fuck no! They should be back handed and made to do the most detestable labor needed in the community at that particular point in time. However, when it comes time for these fearful old wankers to vote, and they immediately and savagely (without remorse or any concern for others, scarily just like those they've come to hate , hate something long enough, you shall surely become it...) take it out on those whom they perceive as the nearest immediate threat to their complacent existence, I feel nothing but disgust at their callous, and ultimately weak, natures. I firmly believe that any time someone gets to vote to take away any right that you may hold dear, they should be required to give up a right equally favorable to themselves.

And no, I do not care what the situation nor issue may be. I choose no sides but that of the man being stepped upon by such a careless, unthinking, slovenly, and belligerent society that has the audacity to call itself free. This shit is making me so sick, and I'm personally amazed that I haven't gone completely frickin' postal just yet. /Rant

Sorry 'bout all that, but I'm getting tired of seeing most everyone taking the easy and 'safe' side of an argument. "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." -Mark Twain

[sticktodrum]

entertaining thought:

"15 injured today in what's believed to be the worst soccer ball assault in this town's recent history. a group of teens drove around several neighborhoods last night throwing soccer balls at residents of Jasper County, GA. police are trying to trace the soccer balls, but unfortunately, the local Sports Authority and Wal-Mart had recently dropped their stocks of all sports equipment except for paintball guns. aside from the discomfort incurred by pedestrians unfortunate enough to be walking the streets at this time, several houses have been irreparably damaged by the balls. some say they spent an entire day looking for balls that have bounced off walls and disppeared into bushes.

estimated property damage has reached $34,000, and is expected to climb as more money is spent reporting on this, and similar events to placate the useless trash that feed off of this type of news."

give it time... it'll happen.

This post has been edited by sticktodrum: 07 March 2009 - 10:36 AM

[68caliber]

the stuntman, on Mar 6 2009, 12:12 PM, said:

...but I dont believe the numbers in that article for a second. Self-serving fear mongering, trying to get people all worked up over nothing. Show me some REAL numbers, gathered by independant professional journalists & subject to statistcal review...then maybe I'll take this seriously.

Perhaps you missed the qualifying statement that clearly identified those numbers as not being based on anything scientific.

It was written by an 'independent, professional, journalist'. Probably one of five serving the entire industry.

What you choose to take seriously or not is entirely up to you.

[cheesecakeinyourfacehole]

I seen a video on utube and these teen did a drive by shooting with a paintball marker and kill two people because they had hit them in there unprotected eyes