[Bravo Sierra]

LoL I know bro, I work for Ryan who is pretty much their customer service base west of the Mississippi River

[MZinCamo]

I will make a Droi maintenence video, it's essentially the same thing as a Clone. Just so people know.

[shishkabob]

just saying ive heard some rumors of a new borg being released at cup, im not going to hold my breath but if its true i might already know what my next marker will be

[akt22]

Hey Hebiki, let me take a stab at it.

How to maintain you clone/clone VX drivetrain

A lot of people think clones are extremely high maintainence markers that are difficult to service. That can't be further from the truth. There are only a few o-rings that you have to maintain and you don't have to constantly lube them after day's worth of play. Macdev recommends you maintain it after 10,000 shots, which is like 5 cases worth of paint.

A few things to know before we start:

1. READ YOUR MANUAL- A portion of the problems you encounter can be solved by looking at.it. Also PAY attention to the drivetrain diagram. It shows the exact order of the parts to put it back together as well as how those parts should look when putting it back. If you can't put it back, check the diagram to make sure.

2. DO NOT OVERLUBE THE DRIVETRAIN- This is probably where most people go wrong. There are 2 reasons why you don't want to overlube: one, it's extra work you don't need to do and two, it affects the drivetrain performance. There are some places you could lube more, which I'll mention later, but the general rule of thumb is to make sure what you lube looks wet. If you can see extra lube, you know you've gone too far.

So without further ado, let's begin.

Important Parts


This is your drivetrain:



Mines is the VX drivetrain, which is the latest version at this time. Earlier versions might look different but the essential oring components are still the same.

These are the parts that have the important orings for service.



They are from top to bottom, left to right: Bolt Keg, Bolt, Spacer, Valve, Powertube. Again forgive the quality but I couldn't get the right lighting.


Bolt Keg Orings





See that oring on the inside of the bolt keg? That's the only oring you should worry about maintaining. It's a standard size 17 BN70 oring that you can get at most oring places like oringmonkey. If you're leaking in the front, this is probably the cause. Don't worry about the other orings as they are immobile; they will rarely wear out unless your lucky, or unlucky in this case. Macdev also recommends you slightly lube the inside of the bolt keg as well.


Bolt Orings





Basically the most important oring is the one smack dab in the center of the bolt. It's called the bolt switch oring and is 16 BN70 standard size. If your having leaks near the solenoid this is probably the main culprit. This along with the orings from the valve and powertube will cause like 90% of the problems with the drivetrain, so make sure you keep a good eye on it. Macdev also mentions to lube the bolt in addition to the oring.


Spacer Orings



There are only 2 orings on the spacer. Both are 17 BN70 and both require lubrication from time to time. I've heard someone had inconsistant velocity drops during high rates of fire because they lack one of these orings, so it would be best not to ignore them.


Valve Orings




Ok now we're going to the heart of the matter. In the bolt section, I mentioned 3 things that cause 90% of the problems: the bolt switch oring, valve and powertube. Of those 3, a good portion of that 90% will come from something happening to the valve, especially the middle oring. If you see any wear in that middle oring or the other rings: REPLACE THEM IMMEDIATELY. Your efficiency is mostly tied to those orings and they tend to receive most of the wear and tear. These orings wearing and tearing are one of the main reasons why there are so many versions of the clone; Macdev had to update the valve as well as the valve keg because of the frequency these orings were wearing out. While the VX drive solved that from happening too frequently, those orings will still wear out quicker than most in the drivetrain. PAY ATTENTION TO THEM. If you ever have a problem with performance, this is the first place I'd check. If you ever want to use more lube in a macdev marker, this would be the place to start. The orings in the middle and the side of the valve toward the spacer are 17X1 BN70 metric orings and the oring on the side closer to the powertube is a 15X1 BN70 metric as well. Macdev also recommends you lube the inside of both the valve and valve keg as well.


Powertube Orings



The second most cause of problems next to the valve. If the valve is ok and you still have problems or leaks, this is the next place to check. The reason is that most of the air passes through the powertube, which causes it to blew away most of the lube on the rings and wearing them out quickly. Because of how air constaintly passes through you want to lube the rings as heavily as the valve, maybe even moreso. Again if your problems are not caused by the valve, it's probably this instead. The 2 orings you have to lube are the mid oring, which is a 10X1 BN70 metric oring and the tip oring, which is 11 BN70 standard size. The tip oring is the one that get's dry the most, so concentrate most of the lubing efforts into that oring.

Once you've done that,congratulations as you have maintained your drivetrain. Be sure to put it back and get ready to mow some people at the field.





If this get's accepted Hebiki, feel free to comment and fix things around. I'm not sure I got everything so I'm open to corrections. This applies to everyone else here as well.

With that said: give me that council spot LOL.

This post has been edited by akt22: 05 August 2011 - 06:06 AM

[Hebiki]

THATS WHAT IM F#CKING TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

akt22.... First MEMBER of Council.... if i was a billionaire.. id straight buy you a clone right now.

too bad, im married and NOT a billionaire.

This post has been edited by Hebiki: 04 August 2011 - 07:19 PM

[akt22]

Why would I need another clone when mines is already sexy enough?

I'm a playa not a pimp. There's only enough of me for 1 gal and she gets all the attention LOL.

Also Hebiki, I made some spelling and clarity changes in my guide. Can you alter it?
Just recopy my post that has it.

This post has been edited by akt22: 04 August 2011 - 08:01 PM

[Bravo Sierra]

Great job akt22! Congrats!

[shishkabob]

is it just me or does anyone else get the feeling that Heibiki asked people to post those up so he can learn how to maintain his own gun? lol jk

[Hebiki]

shishkabob, on 04 August 2011 - 11:52 PM, said:

is it just me or does anyone else get the feeling that Heibiki asked people to post those up so he can learn how to maintain his own gun? lol jk

oh ill admit i have ZERO idea on how to maintain a clone. but i sure as heck aint scared of it. i know there might be others out there scared to ask these types of questions, so i'll ask it for them.

akt... ill edit tomorrow.. i gotta get my gear ready for saturday's tournament. great job again.

now who's gonna do a video?

[Bravo Sierra]

Hebiki, on 05 August 2011 - 02:03 AM, said:

shishkabob, on 04 August 2011 - 11:52 PM, said:

is it just me or does anyone else get the feeling that Heibiki asked people to post those up so he can learn how to maintain his own gun? lol jk

oh ill admit i have ZERO idea on how to maintain a clone. but i sure as heck aint scared of it. i know there might be others out there scared to ask these types of questions, so i'll ask it for them.

akt... ill edit tomorrow.. i gotta get my gear ready for saturday's tournament. great job again.

now who's gonna do a video?

I will eventually.. but it might be a while. Hey Heb, if I do a photo manual for the reg can I haves council?

This post has been edited by Bravo Sierra: 05 August 2011 - 02:22 AM

[akt22]

Hebiki it's not rocket science to maintain a clone; I've had it for like 2 months.

The only thing that is currently rocket science is a prophecy. What a bitch to take apart.

Since we're also trying to help others to macdev, link to the macdev custormer support and help thread at pbnation.

With how hard it is to get in touch with them by phone, that's probably the best resource to contact macdev directly and anyone who needs help should know about it regarding their products.

This post has been edited by akt22: 05 August 2011 - 06:03 AM

[dhunt91]

I might do one today i need to break mine apart anyways after axbl

[MZinCamo]

I will do a Droid video. Get some older MacDev markers too.

[shishkabob]

i dont has clone yet to make videoz

[dhunt91]

Was this what you were looking for?

Sorry if I messed up some off the names

[Hebiki]

Bravo Sierra, on 05 August 2011 - 02:21 AM, said:

Hebiki, on 05 August 2011 - 02:03 AM, said:

shishkabob, on 04 August 2011 - 11:52 PM, said:

is it just me or does anyone else get the feeling that Heibiki asked people to post those up so he can learn how to maintain his own gun? lol jk

oh ill admit i have ZERO idea on how to maintain a clone. but i sure as heck aint scared of it. i know there might be others out there scared to ask these types of questions, so i'll ask it for them.

akt... ill edit tomorrow.. i gotta get my gear ready for saturday's tournament. great job again.

now who's gonna do a video?

I will eventually.. but it might be a while. Hey Heb, if I do a photo manual for the reg can I haves council?

yup.. you can have council... because we DO need to cover the Reg as well.

dhunt91, on 05 August 2011 - 02:36 PM, said:

Was this what you were looking for?

Sorry if I messed up some off the names

PERFECT!

[ThunderLights]

MZinCamo, on 01 August 2011 - 12:55 PM, said:

Here is a shooting vid of my Droid:



1 of 10 dust black factory anno Droid, with Tadao Yakuza OLED, XXX bolt, and a extra gold bolt.

i like your style

i might be getting a drone DX when it comes out, or maybe a clone if find enough money

[Hebiki]

^^^ get the Drone DX...and do a Mid Marker Showdown. Axe vs. Drone!

[MZinCamo]

Drone will be better. Hands down, no questions. Simplified Droid drive train in a clone body = sex.

Yeah, my style is basically wear whatever the hell I want, lol.

[shishkabob]

ThunderLights, on 05 August 2011 - 04:14 PM, said:

MZinCamo, on 01 August 2011 - 12:55 PM, said:

Here is a shooting vid of my Droid:



1 of 10 dust black factory anno Droid, with Tadao Yakuza OLED, XXX bolt, and a extra gold bolt.

i like your style

i might be getting a drone DX when it comes out, or maybe a clone if find enough money

v2 clones are fairly cheap atm, they go for around $650 give or take condition and ano scheme. Then you can save up a hundred bucks more and upgrade to the vx drive train, then another $40 and get the vx feedneck not really sure what the advantages of the feedneck are though