[Splintershot007]

Seeing as this is techpb, most of us watch mike's videos. He has mad several "paintball in decline" videos and I have watched most of them. He mentions several times ramping is killing the sport by scaring away new players, and it would be great if we could live without ramping (although he acknowledged the fact that was unlikely). This ISN'T another semi vs ramping thread (because who needs more of those). Semi players with fast fingers can definatly match the 12.5 bps speed of the standard ramping speed. I was just wondering if there was another way to remove the overshooting problem that scares away people. My opinion is that the just like with real guns, the markers arent the problem, the people are.
To be absolutly clear, I am not saying any of you suck, or Im better than you (because you are most definatly a better paintball player than me) but that overshooting comes from a lack of "trigger happy" Every player whose played a while knows the feeling when you are in a pitched fight, and you start getting a little rough with the opponents, and before you know it, you just shot a rental player 7 times and there is one less eager paintball player.
As a personal example, when I started 4 years ago, its was behind my science teachers church. 12 or so of us would meet up, buy some paint and fill our air from him, and go crazy. The paint eas always old and the markers were always shooting around 290. I didnt have a problem of over shooting, I just had a distance problem. I would often charge up, marker turned up a few fps too much with old paint that never broke and a single magnificant rainbow bruise that made using that limb painful for the next few days. People started complaing, so I had to change. I started turning down my marker to around 275, and made 15 or so feet my minimum shooting range. A combo of self policing and field intervention (like my science teacher) can change a player.
To conclude this boring, long post that in my forum n00bness probably put in the wrong section, is there a way to instill respect in players to prevent over shooting, so all players of different types can play on the same field and keep our sport/hobby/passion alive?

[madsnipes]

mike should take down that video because every 3 days somebody makes a thread like this

[NotaSniper]

Or just make the thread a sticky so we can ignore them

I don't see paintball in decline. Even out here in the ho-hum northwest the feild is packed every weekend. Our refs seperate everyone out or make people with electros shoot one finger. On a mass level your not going to fundementaly change how the game is played. You can only police yourself. I try to introduce myself to the refs and regulars. Makes "problems" and arguments go a little easier.

[Dak-Attack]

Rule enforcement coupled with lack of trigger control is a big problem.

The good news is monster balls are off the shelves (in most places... I've seen ollllld paint on their shelves.) But i have no clue what's to take it's place.

Another arising problem is also the fact that some field owners don't stand up to the regulars when they are being pricks. I've seen this a few times.

You also have to realize that we are indeed in a recession.

This post has been edited by Dak-Attack: 15 April 2012 - 09:36 PM

[madsnipes]

im temped to post my long ass reply from the last thread to discuss my opinions on the topic

[ShadowZero]

I've actually got onto some tournament players about overshooting rentals on purpose.

Personally, if I have people using ramping against me, I'm going to use ramping myself. What happens is, I start shooting, and ramping activates. 3 shot burst right? Well. if I'm shooting at a rental, I may accidentally overshoot them due to "SHIT. SHOOTING AT RENTAL. SLOW DOWN. SLOW DOWN." and there are already 20 - 30 balls headed straight towards them. It happens, but I don't mean to do it. And if I do manage to catch my trigger pulls before putting that many shots down the field, 3 shot burst always poses the problem that all 3 balls may hit.

It's a sport that you should expect to get shot, which should make you have a bit more adrenaline-filled. That causes the shots not to hurt as much.

I remember first time I played and I was shot, it only felt like a punch to my chest because I was full of adrenaline.

[pb=life]

Whats a paragraph?

[AceComets]

You cannot single handedly blame ramping for "the decline of paintball" and anyone saying otherwise is an idiot.

[kingJurzy]

pb=life, on 15 April 2012 - 09:36 PM, said:

Whats a paragraph?

[Octonk]

Over shooting is definitely a problem, but equally is the ineffective refs. Some may disagree but if over shooting is a problem on a field, and bunkering or generally being over zealous(especially with the new players) then the refs need to step in and actually do something about it. Where I played in Vancouver, only 1 of the fields had refs that seemed to give a damn.

Most were great for making sure masks and socks stayed on, but that was it. It was totally free for all on the field. North Shore Paintball had the best refs in my opinion. That is the only field I've seen a ref make someone sit out a game. The guys was over shooting one of his buddies...

Don't get me wrong, safety is the most important aspect of our game, but I think over shooting falls into that category.

[sameagol26]

I believe it's the terrible economy screwing everyone over... Who honestly wants to spend 100$/ day or more playing when that could go towards paying bills and food for your family? I mean, I would much rather play but during a recession/ crap economy, there are other things that come before it...

[Toat]

not again...NOT AGAIN

[AJ1337]

the economy is in decline right now and paintball is expensive it doesn't take rocket science to firgure out that this is the big problem here, not ramping.. or overshooting.. personally i think if anything its the fields fault for letting walk ons play with kids with their own equipment, here in venezuela there isnt any overshooting because we let the walk ons play then we step unto the field and play only against other teams.. and if theres some rec play issues well thats the reffs and the fields fault not ramping

This post has been edited by AJ1337: 15 April 2012 - 09:59 PM

[Splintershot007]

AceComets, on 15 April 2012 - 09:39 PM, said:

You cannot single handedly blame ramping for "the decline of paintball" and anyone saying otherwise is an idiot.

Not ramping, just over shooting. Butterfly trigger, response trigger, full auto, burst - none of these need a ramping board to coat some one with paint.

pb=life, on 15 April 2012 - 09:36 PM, said:

Whats a paragraph?

Typing a touch screen doesnt give one much of a tab feature

[Splintershot007]

madsnipes, on 15 April 2012 - 09:30 PM, said:

mike should take down that video because every 3 days somebody makes a thread like this

Which one? He talks about it in his pbnation sell out vid a bit, His autococker and automag vid, the is paintball dying video. Cockerpunk has a response video wwith his own opinion. And then there are the idiots like me who just seem to "moan and bitch on forums". But im not trying to flame or troll or shit on modern markers or anyone who uses a nice gun. I just was wondering what we and fields can do to make paintball more fun for everyone. At my local field, more and more control-less kids with beautiful markers talk shit and screw around between games, and slaughter the rental groups and budget ballers during games. They joke about making the refs "dance." they spot the rentals, usually 5-10 on a slower day and destroy them. And i never see the rentals again...

[Myrkul]

madsnipes, on 15 April 2012 - 09:30 PM, said:

mike should take down that video because every 3 days somebody makes a thread like this

[AbRa KaDaBrA]

its paintball. if you get lit up, then get back on your feet and learn to get better, stop being such pussies about it. and if its "little kids" that are getting scared away, then boo, i have been playing since i was 9 years old. ive gotten lit up plenty of times, when you fall of a horse you either get back up or walk away like a sissy.

[drg]

Everybody pump

[NotaSniper]

drg, on 15 April 2012 - 11:57 PM, said:

Everybody pump

I overshot someone playing pump once. It was his fault though. ......

[drg]

NotaSniper, on 16 April 2012 - 12:22 AM, said:

drg, on 15 April 2012 - 11:57 PM, said:

Everybody pump

I overshot someone playing pump once. It was his fault though. ......

Yep. Overshooting with a pump is usually only deliberate.