[Corysllw]

I know it has something to do with pump, but if someone could give more information on it, I'd appreciate it.

[The Desacrator]

http://www.google.co...0&tx=187&ty=246

This post has been edited by The Desacrator: 06 March 2013 - 02:23 AM

[Antonious]

It's basically a bottom-line with the ASA or bucket changer facing forward. This gives the gun a shorter overall length to help you play tighter.
I've never cared for it personally.

[Corysllw]

When I get a pump I'm definitely going to try it.
Thanks for the help!

[drg]

[Antonious]

OCD moment: 3 of those are actually VSC, one of which is upside-down

[drg]

Don't you just want to reach in there and flip it over?

[Antonious]

So badly

[o-baller]

Never understood why people liked Hawaiian style. Not that I have anything against it, I just don't know why people like it

[get.lit.up!]

I've seen people do this to minis and axes too

[Orange Chicken]

Oh...I thought it was something else. I mean this group Im a part of is full of old school ballers, and I saw some of them do this on their pumps and whatnot, but I thought they said it because we always wore hawaiian shirts and cargo shorts/pants when we play.

[drg]

o-baller, on 06 March 2013 - 10:29 PM, said:

Never understood why people liked Hawaiian style. Not that I have anything against it, I just don't know why people like it

Makes the gun shorter as compared to rear-facing bottomline. Puts the changer closer to your hands for more convenient changes. Looks cool.

[Pump Player]

I like that it makes it easier to rock and cock

[Demon]

get.lit.up!, on 06 March 2013 - 11:09 PM, said:

I've seen people do this to minis and axes too

do WAT?

i'm thinking i may call shens here because i don't think any tank would clear the foregrip... MAYBE a 13/3k maybe.

This post has been edited by Demon: 08 March 2013 - 10:53 AM

[get.lit.up!]

Yep with 13 cubics, I think some dremel work is required, maybe.

This post has been edited by get.lit.up!: 08 March 2013 - 06:57 PM

[Pyrate Jim]

Corysllw, on 06 March 2013 - 02:09 AM, said:

I know it has something to do with pump, but if someone could give more information on it, I'd appreciate it.

I can give a bit of the history...
The term "Island Style" started back in 1984 at a field on Deer Island in New Hampshire. This was 2 years before Tippmann introduced Schraeder valves and ASA threads, back then it was 12 grams and thermo-valve tanks with bulky hoses.
The story goes that they often played hiding in the water and found that tipping the marker down to change 12g's with a rear changer got the barrel wet - and tipping the marker back to swap 12g's at the front under the barrel would get the paint wet - but you could change 12g's under water.
It was years later that the term "Island Style" became synonymous with "Hawaiian Style", Earron Carter used the configuration on many of his markers in the 90's and his home was in Hawaii, so it was a natural mistake to mix them up (the Hawaiian Islands are much better known than Deer Island).
U.S. Patent Office shows a similar design dating back to the 1930's. (I found it up on their website, you can too)
Wolfs Lair in PA also played in water, and the same design was used there in the 90's by the Waffen Elite. The field is now EMR and the ponds are still there but they don't play in them.
When Arrow Precision brought back the Sterling it was one of their factory-produced stock-class models, still is actually and they also call it Hawaiian Style on their website.
Although technically, the term originally had nothing to do with the Hawaiian islands at all.

Call it what you will.
Personally I prefer it over a back changer, and it does tend to balance very well.

[GeezusPB]

get.lit.up!, on 08 March 2013 - 06:51 PM, said:

Yep with 13 cubics, I think some dremel work is required, maybe.

^^very tempting to do this to my mini next weekend...

[Corysllw]

I have learned something once again! Thank you guys for the help! And thanks to Pyrate Jim for the history on it!

[get.lit.up!]

GeezusPB, on 08 March 2013 - 09:33 PM, said:

get.lit.up!, on 08 March 2013 - 06:51 PM, said:

Yep with 13 cubics, I think some dremel work is required, maybe.
%20http://www.mcarterbrown.com/forums/attachments/empire/26016d1313011800-invert-picture-thread-dscf0215.jpg

^^very tempting to do this to my mini next weekend...

http://www.mcarterbr...e-thread-4.html

[drg]

Pyrate Jim, on 08 March 2013 - 08:53 PM, said:

Corysllw, on 06 March 2013 - 02:09 AM, said:

I know it has something to do with pump, but if someone could give more information on it, I'd appreciate it.

I can give a bit of the history...
The term "Island Style" started back in 1984 at a field on Deer Island in New Hampshire. This was 2 years before Tippmann introduced Schraeder valves and ASA threads, back then it was 12 grams and thermo-valve tanks with bulky hoses.
The story goes that they often played hiding in the water and found that tipping the marker down to change 12g's with a rear changer got the barrel wet - and tipping the marker back to swap 12g's at the front under the barrel would get the paint wet - but you could change 12g's under water.
It was years later that the term "Island Style" became synonymous with "Hawaiian Style", Earron Carter used the configuration on many of his markers in the 90's and his home was in Hawaii, so it was a natural mistake to mix them up (the Hawaiian Islands are much better known than Deer Island).
U.S. Patent Office shows a similar design dating back to the 1930's. (I found it up on their website, you can too)
Wolfs Lair in PA also played in water, and the same design was used there in the 90's by the Waffen Elite. The field is now EMR and the ponds are still there but they don't play in them.
When Arrow Precision brought back the Sterling it was one of their factory-produced stock-class models, still is actually and they also call it Hawaiian Style on their website.
Although technically, the term originally had nothing to do with the Hawaiian islands at all.

Call it what you will.
Personally I prefer it over a back changer, and it does tend to balance very well.

This remains, to me, revisionist history. When it was recognized as a "style" it was Hawaiian style. Others may have done a similar configuration on various obscure fields in corners of the US, but trying to say that was "island style" and "Hawaiian style" is just confusion is highly, highly suspect. Hawaiian style originated in the era of modular ASAs.

I will say that there appears to be no definitive proof either way, as the origins predate available resources. However the earliest resources we can find establish Hawaiian style as the proper name, and Hawaiian style is far and away the more used name for this style except by the same few individuals suspiciously mentioning some obscure field in the corner of the US. From my personal experience its use in Hawaii never had anything to do with the obscure field in the corner of the US, as it was obscure and east coast stuff was hardly even on the radar. Paintball influences in the early days flowed back and forth between California and Hawaii for the most part.

Here is what my research found five years ago: http://www.pbnation....68#post48866068
The only new info to come up was this assertion that it was a PHOG thing: http://www.mcarterbr...tml#post2467034
Which is consistent with the information I found. IMO whatever "island style" was, it wasn't the same as Hawaiian style, which is specifically reversed-bottomline ASA.

As I said five years ago, you are welcome to provide evidence to the contrary.

This post has been edited by drg: 10 March 2013 - 04:14 AM