[smoke14]

It seems that my body has become so accustomed to Jack3d that I need to take 3 to even 4 scoops to even get a kick from it. Does anyone reccommend a different pre-workout supplement, maybe something with a little more kick? Thanks.

[andrewthewookie]

I'd say avoid workout "supplements" all together. Besides, on Jack3d's own website, it says to "Use With Caution Under Strict Dosing Protocols." I'm pretty sure more than one scoop is moving past that. What you're experiencing is similar to drug addicts who have to keep using more and more each time because their receptors are growing accustomed to the dosage.

This post has been edited by andrewthewookie: 01 January 2012 - 01:50 PM

[smoke14]

Oh boy that doesn't sound good well thanks for telling me that I should probalbly dump what's left..

[TK-421]

Don't worry about supplements, just workout and keep a strict healthy diet and that will be plenty fine. We've survived and been healthy for thousands of years without supplements by getting everything we need from our food and environment. So why change it now, when we obviously don't need supplements?

[drexler]

smoke14, on 01 January 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

<br>It seems that my body has become so accustomed to Jack3d that I need to take 3 to even 4 scoops to even get a kick from it. Does anyone reccommend a different pre-workout supplement, maybe something with a little more kick? Thanks.<br>

<br><br>1. Your supposed to cycle jack3d. 1 month on two weeks off<br><br>2. Your body has become accustomed to caffeine (because you failed to read the label and follow directions)

<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><span style="color: rgb(44, 43, 42); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11px; line-height: 15px; text-align: left; ">Stir 3 Ultra-Concentrated scoops with 4-8 ounces of cold water and consume 30-45 minutes before beginning activity. Due to extreme potency, it's highly recommended to assess tolerance by using a 1.5 scoop serving before consuming full dose, especially if you are sensitive to stimulants. Some individuals may find 1, 1.5 or 2 scoops per serving is the ideal dose for workout domination. DO NOT EXCEED 3 SCOOPS IN ANY 24 HOUR PERIOD</span>
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This post has been edited by drexler: 01 January 2012 - 04:51 PM

[TechPB-Mike]

holy shit, yea dood you're building up a tolerance to the caffeine

not good


Slowly wean yourself off of it, I wouldn't go cold turkey because you'll probably suffer withdrawal symptoms, such as irritability, headaches, etc


I would go natural for a few weeks to cycle off it. Let your body get accustomed to not having the caffeine hit, then if you desire cycle back on it. Just because caffeine is an "over the counter" drug, doesn't mean that it can't screw you up pretty bad if abused. At this point, if you're taking 3+ scoops of it, that's borderline abuse.



Get off it, see how your body adjusts going natural, and go from there.

[smoke14]

Thanks for all the advice guys. I'm going to stay off the supplements for a good few weeks and see how that goes; After all, I'm looking to improve my health, not endanger it. Thanks again!

[drexler]

Don't take any supps then. Protien powder and creatine are the only things I'll ever recommend to people.

[Nolan Clemons]

personaly, i have no issue with using preworkout sups. If you use them like it says, you're going to be fine. As far as jack3d is concerned, i have used it in the past, and will use it in the future, it's a great preworkout and is cheap. Right now, i'm using 1MR (one more rep) and it's a kick in the ass before hitting the gym. Jack3d is great, but it's not the only thing you need to take if you're trying to lean up, drop bad lbs / gain good lbs. You should take some monohydrate creatine (up to 20grams a day) and if i remember correctly, jack3d has around 5 grams in it. You should also be drinking close to a 1-1.5+ gallons of water daily depending on your current body weight to keep your system flushed and clean. The most important thing about fitness is nutrition, just ask anyone who takes it seriously. You work much harder outside the gym than you do inside it. (that dosnt' mean to be a nancy in the gym!) Clean up your diet, eat lots of protein (chicken gets boring, eat some tuna and other meats, dont burn yourself out!) and stick with it! Hit all your muscle groups, most people don't do legs, but Squats are natures steroids, they're a MUST.

Sups to avoide are things like fat burners, and "stacks," you dont need anything along those lines. They will put some mass on you, but generally it isn't maintained after you run out of the product, and is a lot of "bad" mass and do more harm to your system then good.

[Austin_]

I use 2 scoops of NO E.X.P.L.O.D.E before I work out and once I'm done working out , I drink whey protein . (2 scoops).

[Nolan Clemons]

Austin_, on 30 January 2012 - 05:45 PM, said:

<BR>I use 2 scoops of NO E.X.P.L.O.D.E before I work out and once I'm done working out , I drink whey protein . (2 scoops).<BR>

<BR><BR><BR>may want to cut back to one scoop of protein per shake, you will tend to piss out a lot of it if you go over 1-1.5 scoops at a time.

[Globemasta III]

DS CRAZE IS AMAZING IVE HEARD ITS WAYYY BETTER THAN JACK3D

[andrewthewookie]

Globemasta III, on 01 February 2012 - 07:54 PM, said:

DS CRAZE IS AMAZING IVE HEARD ITS WAYYY BETTER THAN JACK3D

You don't have to yell, we can all hear you fine.

[drexler]

Pre workout sups are crap in my opinion. When it actually matters (in a fight for instance) are you going to tell the guy, hold on. Let me take my supps then wait 30 minutes. Ok, now we can fight.

[TechPB-Mike]

I find jack3d tends to "over-caffiene" me, even with one scoop. I feel twitchy and nervous.

I definitely like DS Craze, except it makes my mouth EXTREMELY dry when I'm working out. Less of a caffeine hit, more of a "focus". I don't use more than 2 or 3 scoops per week, just when I'm short on sleep or really light from cutting out carbs that day.


It also doesn't "crash" me later on the day like jack3d does.

[BillNyePBGuy]

Definitely dont cold turkey. Wean yourself off. I dont take anything other than a healthy diet. If theres even the chance for a substance dependance issue i dont want it. Thats why i generally shy away from unnecessary medicines as well. If you dont have the energy to work out, you need to be eating better. Also, caffeine's main effect isnt in giving you energy, just in inhibiting the sensors that tell your body you're tired. Thats why there is sometimes a crash, there is backup of the chemical that does tell you youre tired.

Overall, i would recommend laying off supplements altogether. The only one i would consider is a natural protein supplement after the workout if youre really trying to build muscle mass for a weight-driven sport. Otherwise, youre just adding more mass for your body to move. True athleticism comes from having a high strength/mass ratio. If you build muscle mass as you build muscle strength, you dont gain anything. Years ago, i used to take protein and do full-out strength training. I weighed 170 pounds (a gain of 20 punds in the 5 months i started working out) and could lat pulldown 230. However, i could only do 6-7 pull ups. I stopped doing strength training and moved on to purely bodyweight exercises. Now i weigh 175 am much more cut, and can hit 25+ pull ups. If you need mass and pure strength, then protein and high weight low rep is for you. If not, i highly recommend bodyweight exercises.

[drexler]

TechPB-Mike, on 02 February 2012 - 12:00 AM, said:

I find jack3d tends to "over-caffiene" me, even with one scoop. I feel twitchy and nervous.

I definitely like DS Craze, except it makes my mouth EXTREMELY dry when I'm working out. Less of a caffeine hit, more of a "focus". I don't use more than 2 or 3 scoops per week, just when I'm short on sleep or really light from cutting out carbs that day.


It also doesn't "crash" me later on the day like jack3d does.

You know Jack3d can cause ED in some people

The 1-3 dimethylamylamine does it.

This post has been edited by drexler: 02 February 2012 - 02:56 PM

[SavageSnipes]

do not take jack3d. it contains 1,3 dimethylamylamine

shrinks your dick. seriously. take no-xplode instead

drexler, on 01 February 2012 - 11:17 PM, said:

Pre workout sups are crap in my opinion. When it actually matters (in a fight for instance) are you going to tell the guy, hold on. Let me take my supps then wait 30 minutes. Ok, now we can fight.

wait what? what the hell are you talking about? when did fighting come into play? this is about throwing up iron, not fisticuffs

This post has been edited by SavageSnipes: 04 February 2012 - 08:43 PM

[MIA1PBALLER]

the best preworkout i have used is C4. i have used similar products such as jack3D and hemorage.

SavageSnipes, on 04 February 2012 - 08:05 PM, said:

do not take jack3d. it contains 1,3 dimethylamylamine

shrinks your dick. seriously. take no-xplode instead

drexler, on 01 February 2012 - 11:17 PM, said:

Pre workout sups are crap in my opinion. When it actually matters (in a fight for instance) are you going to tell the guy, hold on. Let me take my supps then wait 30 minutes. Ok, now we can fight.

wait what? what the hell are you talking about? when did fighting come into play? this is about throwing up iron, not fisticuffs

[raven_op]

honeslt, if caffiene wasnt so ingrained into everyday society, it would be considered an illegal substance and it would be controlled. hell caffiene can be as hard to quit as smoking lol
edit: also, if you actually stop taking caffiene, you might feel shitty for a week or two, but you'll find yourself feeling way better then when you didnt drink it. ask anyone who has been drinking coffee and stopped and i bet they will tell you that. caffiene is a drug your body will crave and will make you feel un-normal when you do not have it.

try it, quit it for a month and see how you feel. caffiene isnt something you need and therefore it's a crutch. if you started to think of caffiene as a weakness you will start to develop an ill feeling for it and i would place a sum of money that you will feel better than you ever had taking that shit on a regular basis.

This post has been edited by raven_op: 11 February 2012 - 10:45 PM