[brycelarson]

Video and more stuff upcoming

Here's some fun stuff:

https://spreadsheets...=en&output=html


set 1





set 2




set 3




set 4




set 5

[cockerpunk]

set 4 - lol

you guys will like the video.

[lovebunny]

thats cool!
you are the man bryce!

[cockerpunk]

need the video ...

[brycelarson]

chill dude.

[UV Halo]

I can't watch the video yet (office blocks it) but, I have one question, and one comment.

In Set 1, what was the Sniper's pump position?

Set 4 does not seem to be labeled correctly. Table says "Orange, Blue, Red" Picture shows Red, Blue, Green. Are the fields just offset one column to the left or, is 'orange' supposed to be 'green'?

Overall, Great Work guys! I can't wait to see the video. I find it amusing that the software has a simulated brushed aluminum/steel 'finish' around the displays... 1990's software? or their developers not having a clue on interface design?

[Lord Odin]

Very cool stuff!

Could you guys try out a single marker and change out a single part (bolt for example)? I'm wondering if our perception of "loud" comes from certain frequencies or if it will apply across the spectrum, like we're seeing so far.

[cockerpunk]

Lord Odin, on 25 August 2010 - 11:45 AM, said:

Very cool stuff!

Could you guys try out a single marker and change out a single part (bolt for example)? I'm wondering if our perception of "loud" comes from certain frequencies or if it will apply across the spectrum, like we're seeing so far.

yes, that is what we are thinking too. notice the sniper and other guns have a low frequency bump, but some guns don't?

we don't personally own any multi-bolt guns ... maybe a cocker. if you still have all those M98 bolts, have an M98 to test them on ....

this test is ment to be pretty open ended. keep any suggestions coming!

[UV Halo]

cockerpunk, on 25 August 2010 - 12:06 PM, said:

Lord Odin, on 25 August 2010 - 11:45 AM, said:

Very cool stuff!

Could you guys try out a single marker and change out a single part (bolt for example)? I'm wondering if our perception of "loud" comes from certain frequencies or if it will apply across the spectrum, like we're seeing so far.

yes, that is what we are thinking too. notice the sniper and other guns have a low frequency bump, but some guns don't?

we don't personally own any multi-bolt guns ... maybe a cocker. if you still have all those M98 bolts, have an M98 to test them on ....

this test is ment to be pretty open ended. keep any suggestions coming!

An Ion would be the best platform for Bolt to Bolt comparison. Even I have three bolts that differ pretty significantly in design:
DW Hollowpoint (not the current with the pillow front): big opening in front and in back
Orange Unicorn Nano Extreme (spring closing tail section): Big opening in front, lots of porting in back
Stock Bolt (porting front and back).

If you guys have (or can get the Ion) it'd be much easier for folks to send you bolts rather than full on guns. Sending in my Ion is not really in option only because of it's bulk and weight

[brycelarson]

yeah we have an Ion. It's bone stock - so it makes a good testing platform.

and yes, Set 4 - blue is SR, Red is Ice Epic and Green is Emag.

This post has been edited by brycelarson: 25 August 2010 - 12:24 PM

[Lord Odin]

cockerpunk, on 25 August 2010 - 12:06 PM, said:

yes, that is what we are thinking too. notice the sniper and other guns have a low frequency bump, but some guns don't?

we don't personally own any multi-bolt guns ... maybe a cocker. if you still have all those M98 bolts, have an M98 to test them on ....

this test is ment to be pretty open ended. keep any suggestions coming!

Unfortunately all of my bolts and powertubes are for the A5/X7. The bolts would work for the 98 but the most noticeable sound difference was the powertube, IMO, because some were metal and some were plastic. Unfortunately, they would be incompatible with the 98. Unless you guys have an A5 or X7 laying around, you might wanna try a different marker but using the same principle.

[Latsabb]

I am sorry that this is a bit off topic (ok, way off topic) but am I the only one that watches and listens to cockerpunk, and feels like it is Michael Cera or Jesse Eisenberg telling me about paintball? lol. I noticed it first with the classic gun shows, but it just makes me chuckle more each time.

[cockerpunk]

UV Halo, on 25 August 2010 - 12:21 PM, said:

cockerpunk, on 25 August 2010 - 12:06 PM, said:

Lord Odin, on 25 August 2010 - 11:45 AM, said:

Very cool stuff!

Could you guys try out a single marker and change out a single part (bolt for example)? I'm wondering if our perception of "loud" comes from certain frequencies or if it will apply across the spectrum, like we're seeing so far.

yes, that is what we are thinking too. notice the sniper and other guns have a low frequency bump, but some guns don't?

we don't personally own any multi-bolt guns ... maybe a cocker. if you still have all those M98 bolts, have an M98 to test them on ....

this test is ment to be pretty open ended. keep any suggestions coming!

An Ion would be the best platform for Bolt to Bolt comparison. Even I have three bolts that differ pretty significantly in design:
DW Hollowpoint (not the current with the pillow front): big opening in front and in back
Orange Unicorn Nano Extreme (spring closing tail section): Big opening in front, lots of porting in back
Stock Bolt (porting front and back).

If you guys have (or can get the Ion) it'd be much easier for folks to send you bolts rather than full on guns. Sending in my Ion is not really in option only because of it's bulk and weight

the trouble with usign the ion, is typically in spool valves, aftermarket bolt designs are made for increased effienecy and smoothness and thus change how the gun functions. if thats that you want to list for, then thats good, but i think odin was interested in how the air flowing through the bolt effects the sound, becuase poppit valves have a much easier time changing the bolt face there are tons of options, like open, venturi and such.

Lord Odin, on 25 August 2010 - 12:28 PM, said:

cockerpunk, on 25 August 2010 - 12:06 PM, said:

yes, that is what we are thinking too. notice the sniper and other guns have a low frequency bump, but some guns don't?

we don't personally own any multi-bolt guns ... maybe a cocker. if you still have all those M98 bolts, have an M98 to test them on ....

this test is ment to be pretty open ended. keep any suggestions coming!

Unfortunately all of my bolts and powertubes are for the A5/X7. The bolts would work for the 98 but the most noticeable sound difference was the powertube, IMO, because some were metal and some were plastic. Unfortunately, they would be incompatible with the 98. Unless you guys have an A5 or X7 laying around, you might wanna try a different marker but using the same principle.

im thinking cocker/sniper might be the best platform. i think between the odd cockers me and bryce have we could look at that. or a limited investment over on MCB of a smattering of bolts.

[UV Halo]

brycelarson, on 25 August 2010 - 12:24 PM, said:

yeah we have an Ion. It's bone stock - so it makes a good testing platform.

and yes, Set 4 - blue is SR, Red is Ice Epic and Green is Emag.

I'll send you my two aftermarket bolts depending on when you'd like them and how long you would need them. See if you can get some other models (i.e. TechT L7v2, Firebolt), etc, and you'll have a pretty broad array.

Here's an idea for other related testing.- to the best of your ability isolate 'marker action' from barrel noise:
Build a sound absorbing box with only two openings- One for the barrel to stick out, and another for the hand (each as tight as possible).

With the same marker configuration, fire the marker within and, outside of the box. Analyze the differences.
I've recently found that there's a pretty good amount of noise that appeard to emanate from the bodies of both my Ion and my T9 (when I've had the barrel under several pillows and a blanket or two). Possible causes: vibrations due to mechanical impacts, and rapid pressurization and depressurization of chambers within the marker.

[brycelarson]

UV Halo, on 25 August 2010 - 12:41 PM, said:

I'll send you my two aftermarket bolts depending on when you'd like them and how long you would need them. See if you can get some other models (i.e. TechT L7v2, Firebolt), etc, and you'll have a pretty broad array.

Here's an idea for other related testing.- to the best of your ability isolate 'marker action' from barrel noise:
Build a sound absorbing box with only two openings- One for the barrel to stick out, and another for the hand (each as tight as possible).

With the same marker configuration, fire the marker within and, outside of the box. Analyze the differences.
I've recently found that there's a pretty good amount of noise that appeard to emanate from the bodies of both my Ion and my T9 (when I've had the barrel under several pillows and a blanket or two). Possible causes: vibrations due to mechanical impacts, and rapid pressurization and depressurization of chambers within the marker.

that's an interesting idea - but I don't know how applicable it is in play. I know a ton of noise comes off the SR body - but it's going to do that when you're playing - so I just assume that's part of the gun.

[bvdave]

video just doesnt do this test justice, I know your pain from shooting the cannoniser indoors, but on video it doesnt sound too much louder then the normal shots

[cockerpunk]

bvdave, on 25 August 2010 - 01:09 PM, said:

video just doesnt do this test justice, I know your pain from shooting the cannoniser indoors, but on video it doesnt sound too much louder then the normal shots

yeah, i was disappointed. teh SR littearlly hurt your ears when we shot it. bryce said it was 20+ db louder then then Emag, and about 5 db louder then the Epic.

crazy loud.

[jdlarson11]

cockerpunk, on 25 August 2010 - 01:19 PM, said:

bvdave, on 25 August 2010 - 01:09 PM, said:

video just doesnt do this test justice, I know your pain from shooting the cannoniser indoors, but on video it doesnt sound too much louder then the normal shots

yeah, i was disappointed. teh SR littearlly hurt your ears when we shot it. bryce said it was 20+ db louder then then Emag, and about 5 db louder then the Epic.

crazy loud.

Helen Keller could even hear the SR shoot... , thats a LOUD ass gun...

This post has been edited by jdlarson11: 25 August 2010 - 01:26 PM

[Lord Odin]

cockerpunk, on 25 August 2010 - 12:34 PM, said:

the trouble with usign the ion, is typically in spool valves, aftermarket bolt designs are made for increased effienecy and smoothness and thus change how the gun functions. if thats that you want to list for, then thats good, but i think odin was interested in how the air flowing through the bolt effects the sound, becuase poppit valves have a much easier time changing the bolt face there are tons of options, like open, venturi and such.

I'm more interested in the material being used that the bolt design, itself, although I would be interested in that type of testing, too. We know that metal conducts sounds very well and I always hear people talk about how metal internals make a marker sound louder than plastic internals. So I'm wondering how big of a role it plays. Specifically, whether people notice DB's or frequencies better.

[jdlarson11]

Do you guys know the total decibel readings of each gun?

you can get close by estimating the center of the curve. I've got most of the curves saved individually. Which one you looking at?

This post has been edited by brycelarson: 25 August 2010 - 08:21 PM