[Ryandall]

Hey guys I'm new here and this is my first topic.
I want to buy my first marker in the $150 range, preferably mechanical or other markers that can perform well on CO2.
I know HPA is better but I'm from Suriname and CO2 is the only thing they got here.
So I'm looking for a marker that is cheap, easy to maintain (because there are also no real paintball markers experts here) and works well on CO2.
I already have the azodin kaos in mind,is it good or is something else better?
I'd really appreciate your help and advice.

[PaintballPizza]

Well, there's always the tippmann 98, since it could probably survive a nuclear blast.

[XxJellyFilledxX]

Out of the two you listed i say the gryphon just because of the fact that its basically a 98 and will do better with CO2 than a kaos would.

[Ryandall]

XxJellyFilledxX, on 14 May 2012 - 10:18 PM, said:

Out of the two you listed i say the gryphon just because of the fact that its basically a 98 and will do better with CO2 than a kaos would.

Any other suggestions beside these 2?

[Jaccen]

Automag Classic. Many more upgrade paths. $150 might even get you a Minimag. Don't bother with an RT Classic or X-Valve if CO2 is a must.

Look for something with:

-classic/minimag valve
-RT on/off (luxury item, but it makes the pull on a classic lighter)
-AM/MM rail
-likely will only be a single trigger (Intelliframe is a bonus in case you upgrade down the road)
-powerfeed with a good parabolic plug (allows for warp modification with a hacksaw down the road and you'll just change it out for a ULE body anyways.....it does well enough in mechanical mode though you may prefer a straight out tube body if you never plan to upgrade......centre feed is also an option, but twist lock barrels are harder to find for them and some centre's had that undesirable "stove pipe" feedneck)
-Level 10 bolt (HIGHLY recommended, but not required)
-on/off
-I prefer the rubber grips on single trigger frames (ie. PMI's), but it's a luxury item

[Orange Chicken]

Yeah I wouldnt touch a Tippmann if I was a beginner. Didnt even consider it even before I saw TechPb and was a beginner. I would probably recommend the Kaos, just because it's the best marker under 100$. But you could also scourge the BST forums for a used cheap electro. But yeah, Azodin all the way. Or you could save up for an Envy or another gun thats <200$

[SCHULER]

Buy used and get a vibe

This post has been edited by SCHULER: 28 December 2012 - 02:50 AM

[JRains]

The Pirhana GTI+ Rampage. Nothing is better. It has a board capable of 17bps. That is most field caps. Its regulated. Clamping feedneck. Everything you could want!

[elraido]

I would second the Tippman or the Automag. The Automag is a much better gun but it also requires a little bit more knowledge if something goes wrong....but odds are there won't be. Both are very reliable markers.

[Legit Paintballa]

Get an azodin kaos, great beginner gun, idk if it works well with co2

This post has been edited by Legit Paintballa: 26 June 2012 - 05:00 PM

[Byron]

Try to find a used eNVy or Vibe, but if not, then I would go for the Kaos.

[killa jay95]

do u have a mask, pods, pads , hopper? get that first i recommend HPA instead of co2 because co2 has liquid in it that could mess up ur gun but best mech gun is the kaos but if u wanna go electric go with Spyder fenix or azodin blitz their electric and in that price range and all works with co2

This post has been edited by killa jay95: 27 June 2012 - 07:13 PM

[IwannaWAFFLE]

maybe through in the bt-4 instead of the 98c? i personally find the design (externally) a bit better.. and if you want to milsim it up, it will be great.. pretty much same internals i think, but a but more streamlined externally..

but a used Vibe can be your best option, though the co2 makes the higher possible ROF harder to achieve.. with the co2 cool down and liquid in the gun..

[JAWM]

Vibes were meant to tolerate carbon dioxide. And you can find them for under $100.

[unfated33]

I don't disagree with a lot of the responses here for a general $150 marker, but I think many people missed the desired requirements of the OP.

1. Preferrably Mechanical
2. Easy to maintain
3. Must use CO2 only - no HPA available
4. No gunsmiths/airsmiths available to support

I think this means he's looking at five mechanical markers - the Azodin Kaos, the Battle Tested BT-4, the Tippman Custom 98c, a used Automag Classic, and a used Autococker Trilogy Competition. I'm going to throw out all of the electros because it is unlikely he'll have help with boards, eyes, and power.

In the strict order of how easy to maintain I'm going to divide it into simplicity and frequency. The Azodin Kaos will be the simplest of the five to maintain and clean as the only open bolt. The Automag and Autococker are similar and with a small learning curve are not difficult to take apart. The BT-4 and 98c will probably take the most effort as inline bolts, but will be similar to the automag and autococker overall. From a maintenance frequency standpoint, they are all comparatively long lasting with the engineering of the automag making it the most consistently reliable marker of the group.

All of the mechanical markers are going to use CO2 to some degree of effectiveness. In general, the higher rate of fire you can achieve, the colder your internals will get and the lower your velocity will drop. You could fix this with a CO2 specific regulator - I know Palmers used to have one a long time ago but don't see them much any more.

The rest is pretty much preference. Of the list and trying to divine how important each of your needs are, I'd rate them 1. Kaos, 2. Automag, 3. BT-4, 4. Tippman 98c, 5. Trilogy. Since you were planning to spend $150 on your marker, you can get the Kaos for $90 and spend the last sixty bucks on getting a good CO2 regulator to replace the gas-thru foregrip. If you go the Automag path instead, it's going to take up most all of your $150 to get a classic with lvl 10 bolt - I can't knock this choice, it's a really good one, but you will need to become an automag expert through your life of ownership. I hope that's helpful.

[Ryandall]

Unfated33, on 27 June 2012 - 06:05 AM, said:

I don't disagree with a lot of the responses here for a general $150 marker, but I think many people missed the desired requirements of the OP.

1. Preferrably Mechanical
2. Easy to maintain
3. Must use CO2 only - no HPA available
4. No gunsmiths/airsmiths available to support

I think this means he's looking at five mechanical markers - the Azodin Kaos, the Battle Tested BT-4, the Tippman Custom 98c, a used Automag Classic, and a used Autococker Trilogy Competition. I'm going to throw out all of the electros because it is unlikely he'll have help with boards, eyes, and power.

In the strict order of how easy to maintain I'm going to divide it into simplicity and frequency. The Azodin Kaos will be the simplest of the five to maintain and clean as the only open bolt. The Automag and Autococker are similar and with a small learning curve are not difficult to take apart. The BT-4 and 98c will probably take the most effort as inline bolts, but will be similar to the automag and autococker overall. From a maintenance frequency standpoint, they are all comparatively long lasting with the engineering of the automag making it the most consistently reliable marker of the group.

All of the mechanical markers are going to use CO2 to some degree of effectiveness. In general, the higher rate of fire you can achieve, the colder your internals will get and the lower your velocity will drop. You could fix this with a CO2 specific regulator - I know Palmers used to have one a long time ago but don't see them much any more.

The rest is pretty much preference. Of the list and trying to divine how important each of your needs are, I'd rate them 1. Kaos, 2. Automag, 3. BT-4, 4. Tippman 98c, 5. Trilogy. Since you were planning to spend $150 on your marker, you can get the Kaos for $90 and spend the last sixty bucks on getting a good CO2 regulator to replace the gas-thru foregrip. If you go the Automag path instead, it's going to take up most all of your $150 to get a classic with lvl 10 bolt - I can't knock this choice, it's a really good one, but you will need to become an automag expert through your life of ownership. I hope that's helpful.

thank you very much... this helped a lot... what co2 regulator would you recommend?

[unfated33]

Ryandall, on 29 June 2012 - 04:22 PM, said:

Unfated33, on 27 June 2012 - 06:05 AM, said:

I don't disagree with a lot of the responses here for a general $150 marker, but I think many people missed the desired requirements of the OP.

1. Preferrably Mechanical
2. Easy to maintain
3. Must use CO2 only - no HPA available
4. No gunsmiths/airsmiths available to support

I think this means he's looking at five mechanical markers - the Azodin Kaos, the Battle Tested BT-4, the Tippman Custom 98c, a used Automag Classic, and a used Autococker Trilogy Competition. I'm going to throw out all of the electros because it is unlikely he'll have help with boards, eyes, and power.

In the strict order of how easy to maintain I'm going to divide it into simplicity and frequency. The Azodin Kaos will be the simplest of the five to maintain and clean as the only open bolt. The Automag and Autococker are similar and with a small learning curve are not difficult to take apart. The BT-4 and 98c will probably take the most effort as inline bolts, but will be similar to the automag and autococker overall. From a maintenance frequency standpoint, they are all comparatively long lasting with the engineering of the automag making it the most consistently reliable marker of the group.

All of the mechanical markers are going to use CO2 to some degree of effectiveness. In general, the higher rate of fire you can achieve, the colder your internals will get and the lower your velocity will drop. You could fix this with a CO2 specific regulator - I know Palmers used to have one a long time ago but don't see them much any more.

The rest is pretty much preference. Of the list and trying to divine how important each of your needs are, I'd rate them 1. Kaos, 2. Automag, 3. BT-4, 4. Tippman 98c, 5. Trilogy. Since you were planning to spend $150 on your marker, you can get the Kaos for $90 and spend the last sixty bucks on getting a good CO2 regulator to replace the gas-thru foregrip. If you go the Automag path instead, it's going to take up most all of your $150 to get a classic with lvl 10 bolt - I can't knock this choice, it's a really good one, but you will need to become an automag expert through your life of ownership. I hope that's helpful.

thank you very much... this helped a lot... what co2 regulator would you recommend?

I only know of and recommend the Palmers Rock and Palmers Stabilizer, but I'm sure there are others that are good for CO2.

http://palmer-pursui...&chapter=2&id=1

[Legit Paintballa]

Unfated33, on 29 June 2012 - 07:07 PM, said:

Ryandall, on 29 June 2012 - 04:22 PM, said:

Unfated33, on 27 June 2012 - 06:05 AM, said:

I don't disagree with a lot of the responses here for a general $150 marker, but I think many people missed the desired requirements of the OP.

1. Preferrably Mechanical
2. Easy to maintain
3. Must use CO2 only - no HPA available
4. No gunsmiths/airsmiths available to support

I think this means he's looking at five mechanical markers - the Azodin Kaos, the Battle Tested BT-4, the Tippman Custom 98c, a used Automag Classic, and a used Autococker Trilogy Competition. I'm going to throw out all of the electros because it is unlikely he'll have help with boards, eyes, and power.

In the strict order of how easy to maintain I'm going to divide it into simplicity and frequency. The Azodin Kaos will be the simplest of the five to maintain and clean as the only open bolt. The Automag and Autococker are similar and with a small learning curve are not difficult to take apart. The BT-4 and 98c will probably take the most effort as inline bolts, but will be similar to the automag and autococker overall. From a maintenance frequency standpoint, they are all comparatively long lasting with the engineering of the automag making it the most consistently reliable marker of the group.

All of the mechanical markers are going to use CO2 to some degree of effectiveness. In general, the higher rate of fire you can achieve, the colder your internals will get and the lower your velocity will drop. You could fix this with a CO2 specific regulator - I know Palmers used to have one a long time ago but don't see them much any more.

The rest is pretty much preference. Of the list and trying to divine how important each of your needs are, I'd rate them 1. Kaos, 2. Automag, 3. BT-4, 4. Tippman 98c, 5. Trilogy. Since you were planning to spend $150 on your marker, you can get the Kaos for $90 and spend the last sixty bucks on getting a good CO2 regulator to replace the gas-thru foregrip. If you go the Automag path instead, it's going to take up most all of your $150 to get a classic with lvl 10 bolt - I can't knock this choice, it's a really good one, but you will need to become an automag expert through your life of ownership. I hope that's helpful.

thank you very much... this helped a lot... what co2 regulator would you recommend?

I only know of and recommend the Palmers Rock and Palmers Stabilizer, but I'm sure there are others that are good for CO2.

http://palmer-pursui...&chapter=2&id=1

This or you could try anti siphon co2

[imawsome!]

go electronic with the blitz for 180

[Panda Man]

look into a Tippmann 98, or even a A5 they are damn near indestructible.