[SnowFlake]

FIRST i would like to say that all this thinking is done by me as far as mythology. No one had contributed. This had just come to me.

My mythology is based on the fact that a paintball is a stationary object that is being forced to become a moving object making the ball become less than sphearical. The paintball always incounters this when ever being shot. There is no getting over it. An object at rest will remain that way unless acted on otherwise.

My thought is in addition to the loader theory that i believe Cocker Punk and Byrice (sorry if i misspelled your names) had brought up about the paintball having been messed up some how in the loading cylce (note not word for word). I think there is another reason that contribles to that. I believe that the paintball's seam may line up every now and then ether paralel or perpendicular to the bolt of the paintball marker. When the air and the bolt hits the ball then that makes the paintball break. When the seam is perpendicular to bolt i believe that it curls the ball in more causing it to split premicurly. My thought when the paintball is perpendicular to the bolt is that the ball squishes into more of a skittle shape than a ball shape causing the paintball to split at the seem and burst down the barrel.

I have 4 cases of Deablo Heat paintballs
I will be using latex gloves inorder to not get any of the oil from my hands on the paintball.
I have 4 tests
-Control, Paintball in the loader and firing the paint at factory settings(minus the mood) at about 290fps(consitant through out all tests) with and PEV'S 06 ego with a Cure 2 bolt or my Bob Long Vice witch ever one i feel will be more useful .691 bore size(the paints bore size). Firing on full auto 10bps for the whole 2000 rounds using a Dye rotor and bag feeding it or pod feeding it. I will stop after all breaks and clean the marker and barrel 100% through (eyes barrel detent ect).
- Under bore (.687, its the smallest i have sorry) and fire 2000 rounds through that with paintball having the seam facing parrel to the bolt. Feeding the paintballs one at a time by hand placing them in 1 at a time.
- Bore size (691, yes thats the bore size ive tried the others there are to small or to large the best one that fits is this, sorry) firing 2000 rounds loading them one at a time with the seam parrel.
- Over bore (.695, largest size i have) firing 2000 rounds lading them one at a time wih the seam parrel.

Unfortunatily i dont have the money for the secound half having the test perpendiclar sorry everyone. i will record the test by video and by a data sheet. Thank you everyone.
Any suggestions im more than happy to have thank you again.

This post has been edited by SnowFlake: 20 January 2009 - 08:15 PM

[brycelarson]

SnowFlake, on Jan 20 2009, 06:58 PM, said:

FIRST i would like to say that all this thinking is done by me as far as methodology. No one had contributed. This had just come to me.

My methodology is based on the fact that a paintball is a stationary object that is being forced to become a moving object making the ball become less than spherical. The paintball always encounters this when ever being shot. There is no getting over it. An object at rest will remain that way unless acted on otherwise.

My thought is in addition to the loader theory that i believe Cocker Punk and Bryce (sorry if i misspelled your names (no problem)) had brought up about the paintball having been messed up some how in the loading cycle (note not word for word). I think there is another reason that contributes to that. I believe that the paintball's seam may line up every now and then ether parallel or perpendicular to the bolt of the paintball marker. When the air and the bolt hits the ball then that makes the paintball break. When the seam is perpendicular to bolt i believe that it curls the ball in more causing it to split ?prematurely? ?perpendicularly?. My thought when the paintball is perpendicular to the bolt is that the ball squishes into more of a skittle shape than a ball shape causing the paintball to split at the seem and burst down the barrel.

I have 4 cases of Deablo Heat paintballs
I will be using latex gloves in order to not get any of the oil from my hands on the paintball.
I have 4 tests
-Control, Paintball in the loader and firing the paint at factory settings(minus the mood) at about 290fps(consistant through out all tests) with and PEV'S 06 ego with a Cure 2 bolt or my Bob Long Vice witch ever one i feel will be more useful .691 bore size(the paints bore size). Firing on full auto 10bps for the whole 2000 rounds using a Dye rotor and bag feeding it or pod feeding it. I will stop after all breaks and clean the marker and barrel 100% through (eyes barrel detent ect).
- Under bore (.687, its the smallest i have sorry) and fire 2000 rounds through that with paintball having the seam facing parrel to the bolt. Feeding the paintballs one at a time by hand placing them in 1 at a time.
- Bore size (691, yes thats the bore size ive tried the others there are to small or to large the best one that fits is this, sorry) firing 2000 rounds loading them one at a time with the seam parrel.
- Over bore (.695, largest size i have) firing 2000 rounds lading them one at a time with the seam parallel.

Unfortunatly i dont have the money for the second half having the test perpendicular sorry everyone. i will record the test by video and by a data sheet. Thank you everyone.
Any suggestions im more than happy to have thank you again.

coolio - couple of things man:
1. I merged this with your other thread - since it's on the same topic.
2. take a few minutes - type your posts in word and use the grammar and spell checker. I've highlighted the errors I noticed in red. It really helps to get your message across - for example, you use the term mythology when I think you meant methodology - one meaning something related to a myth - exactly what we don't want - the other being the method that you're going to use - which I hope is what you meant.

sounds great - I'm excited to see your results. Do you have any idea how long hand loading 2000 balls is going to take? If you pull this off I'll be really impressed. CockerPunk and I spend more than 8 hours - and we were just jamming paint in with a Halo - we got through less than 10,000 rounds. I'm guessing you're looking at multiple days of feeding balls into the breech. I would suggest that the sample size may not need to be the full 2000 rounds hand fed. If you're getting different results after only a few hundred balls - that may be enough. If things are working exactly the same - then you may need to do a larger sample.

I would suggest this: do the first case with the loader. Determine the average balls shot to break - ie how often do balls break using a loader? If it's every 400 balls (like our test was) - and you get a break every 50 balls when loading with the seam oriented - then you don't need to do the full case. If you're still only getting a break every 400 balls (again, that number isn't real, just an example) - then you'll need to feed more of the case.

If you are getting far more breaks with the seam oriented - then you can move on and try a few more things - some that I would suggest: loading with the seam on the other orientation. Hand-loading w random seam orientation. I think the hand-loading might be interesting - but if you only do the seam in the worst possible orientation - you may get more breaks - but since you're removing the loading you may actually be saving some balls that would have broken.

Does this all make sense?

Sorry to be sort-of a dick on the grammar and spell check - but things like that really matter in how seriously people take you.

[SnowFlake]

brycelarson, on Jan 20 2009, 08:31 PM, said:

SnowFlake, on Jan 20 2009, 06:58 PM, said:

FIRST i would like to say that all this thinking is done by me as far as methodology. No one had contributed. This had just come to me.

My methodology is based on the fact that a paintball is a stationary object that is being forced to become a moving object making the ball become less than spherical. The paintball always encounters this when ever being shot. There is no getting over it. An object at rest will remain that way unless acted on otherwise.

My thought is in addition to the loader theory that i believe Cocker Punk and Bryce (sorry if i misspelled your names (no problem)) had brought up about the paintball having been messed up some how in the loading cycle (note not word for word). I think there is another reason that contributes to that. I believe that the paintball's seam may line up every now and then ether parallel or perpendicular to the bolt of the paintball marker. When the air and the bolt hits the ball then that makes the paintball break. When the seam is perpendicular to bolt i believe that it curls the ball in more causing it to split ?prematurely? ?perpendicularly?. My thought when the paintball is perpendicular to the bolt is that the ball squishes into more of a skittle shape than a ball shape causing the paintball to split at the seem and burst down the barrel.

I have 4 cases of Deablo Heat paintballs
I will be using latex gloves in order to not get any of the oil from my hands on the paintball.
I have 4 tests
-Control, Paintball in the loader and firing the paint at factory settings(minus the mood) at about 290fps(consistant through out all tests) with and PEV'S 06 ego with a Cure 2 bolt or my Bob Long Vice witch ever one i feel will be more useful .691 bore size(the paints bore size). Firing on full auto 10bps for the whole 2000 rounds using a Dye rotor and bag feeding it or pod feeding it. I will stop after all breaks and clean the marker and barrel 100% through (eyes barrel detent ect).
- Under bore (.687, its the smallest i have sorry) and fire 2000 rounds through that with paintball having the seam facing parrel to the bolt. Feeding the paintballs one at a time by hand placing them in 1 at a time.
- Bore size (691, yes thats the bore size ive tried the others there are to small or to large the best one that fits is this, sorry) firing 2000 rounds loading them one at a time with the seam parrel.
- Over bore (.695, largest size i have) firing 2000 rounds lading them one at a time with the seam parallel.

Unfortunatly i dont have the money for the second half having the test perpendicular sorry everyone. i will record the test by video and by a data sheet. Thank you everyone.
Any suggestions im more than happy to have thank you again.

coolio - couple of things man:
1. I merged this with your other thread - since it's on the same topic.
2. take a few minutes - type your posts in word and use the grammar and spell checker. I've highlighted the errors I noticed in red. It really helps to get your message across - for example, you use the term mythology when I think you meant methodology - one meaning something related to a myth - exactly what we don't want - the other being the method that you're going to use - which I hope is what you meant.

sounds great - I'm excited to see your results. Do you have any idea how long hand loading 2000 balls is going to take? If you pull this off I'll be really impressed. CockerPunk and I spend more than 8 hours - and we were just jamming paint in with a Halo - we got through less than 10,000 rounds. I'm guessing you're looking at multiple days of feeding balls into the breech. I would suggest that the sample size may not need to be the full 2000 rounds hand fed. If you're getting different results after only a few hundred balls - that may be enough. If things are working exactly the same - then you may need to do a larger sample.

I would suggest this: do the first case with the loader. Determine the average balls shot to break - ie how often do balls break using a loader? If it's every 400 balls (like our test was) - and you get a break every 50 balls when loading with the seam oriented - then you don't need to do the full case. If you're still only getting a break every 400 balls (again, that number isn't real, just an example) - then you'll need to feed more of the case.

If you are getting far more breaks with the seam oriented - then you can move on and try a few more things - some that I would suggest: loading with the seam on the other orientation. Hand-loading w random seam orientation. I think the hand-loading might be interesting - but if you only do the seam in the worst possible orientation - you may get more breaks - but since you're removing the loading you may actually be saving some balls that would have broken.

Does this all make sense?

Sorry to be sort-of a dick on the grammar and spell check - but things like that really matter in how seriously people take you.

haha dont feel bad man i am sorry though for my bad spelling and i will take your advice and word this all before hand
and i do realize how long this will take. Truth be told i have no real life after paintball i have school work and paintball thats all. All i have to do is get consent from Rick of OA paintball or Mr. Crim from Crims paintball Complex inorder to do this test. And 100% of my data will be sent to you both video (warning it will be edited inorder to shorten the video because i dont think you guys have time to watch 40 videos). And it is all open to your thoughts. Thank you so much to givin me a chance on this all and not writing me off.