[drunkenpriest]

Cookybiscuit, on 01 January 2012 - 11:36 PM, said:

Sorry my wants aren't the same as what everyone eleses are then.

Help me then. What makes Planet Eclipse markers better?

everything

[vzmaniac]

better than what??

you could pick any gun and i could nitpick how in certain atrributes the ego is better than it

victory

macroless has inherrent issues with tracking down leaks from noid areas making the ego "better" because you can take the grip frame off and check where leaks are coming from.

the magnetic back cap CAN fail and pop up stoping the gun from shooting that makes the ego "better" because it has threaded backcap which is not known to come undone

the victory uses dow 55 which CAN swell orings leading to damage and issues with effeciency. the ego uses dow 33 nd oil which generally means less damage due to swelled orings and a more standard consistent effeciency

bob long has cs issues when it comes to electronic contact i have tried in the past to contact bl via email, pm, facebook with no replies to any of them. makes planet eclipse better because i have had response from pe staff within 48 hours EVERY time ive contact them

there is more but you get the point

now biasedly pointing out the above you wouldnt be silly in thinking the ego was easily better than the victory.... but thats not the case is it... to me personally the victory and ego are equal. personal preferance dictates which gun you get.... you are not comparing an ion and a victory... or an ego and a tippmann... you are comparing 2 guns with a few different traits in the roughly same price range.

also unlike you in regards to the ego i have never uttered the words "i dont know why youd be an idiot and buy a victory when you could have an ego 11 which is soo much better"

p.s note i said CAN not DOES/WILL purely as example.... please do not give me the fixes to above issues or how frequently they happen.... cause i know both

This post has been edited by vzmaniac: 01 January 2012 - 11:52 PM

[xincognitopbx]

-ORaNGe-, on 01 January 2012 - 10:50 PM, said:

Cooky stop hating on PE or I slaps you!

The Ego 11 has a very similar shot to the G6R, especially if you have it for a while and tune the LPR and noid. It also has better grips, an LCD screen, a nice carrying case, and a great full colour manual. You can buy Ego 11's used for about $850, you really can't go wrong, everything on them is great, the best trigger in paintball if you ask me, great reg which is extremely easy to maintain, great feedneck and asa, board is great.

Cooky, I honestly don't see how you can justify hating on the Ego 11, I think you do it just to be different and to try to stand out, I call it the "DK complex". It has an extremely smooth shot compared to the earlier Egos, it gets about 9 pods off of a fill which takes care of my Pinokio and 7 pods in my pack (which is my max loadout anyway). If you say it has too much kick, you're a nitpicking wank, the only valid complaint against the Ego 11 is it's "loud" but I honestly don't see how that's an issue.

With the G6R I've heard of many more people having issues with them and I've heard of quite a few people having issues getting proper servicing and issues with customer service, especially those here in Canada. PE on the otherhand has the best CS in the industry, if you want to hear from people who support it look at those on TechPB who use PE guns.


My team is not sponsored by PE, we currently don't have a gun sponsor but the fact of the matter is they likely have the most reliable, easiest to maintain and debatably best shooting guns on the market. Here is the list of electros I've owned in the last few years.
edited it a bit to slim it down lol

Basically i highlighted stuff in pink to talk about it. First: in order to get an ego11 to start shooting better than the rest of the poppets you have to turn the noid down to setting: slow.
2nd: i dont want to compare the shot of the ego11 to earlier egos, we are talking about ego vs other poppets not previous egos. Therefore thats irrelevant. The ego does not shoot smoother than a creed, cyborg rx, victory or g6r.
3rd: It gets 9 pods...other poppets are more efficient so therefore outclass it in that category. Getting 9 pods is good dont get me wrong, but we can do better for that price
4th: kick isn't nitpicking...its stating fact that can be important to someone that would like a slightly more accurate shot. Loudness is now unimportant? go tell that to anyone with a spool.

All in all its an EXTREMELY reliable gun with FANTASTIC CS, cooky and i only wish the shot quality and efficiency could be better for that price. But unfortunately it doesn't shoot nearly as well as some other poppets on the market specifically the cyborg rx creed and victory.

Cookybiscuit, on 01 January 2012 - 10:59 PM, said:

-ORaNGe-, on 01 January 2012 - 10:50 PM, said:

Cooky stop hating on PE or I slaps you!

Neither of those are going to happen!

With Planet Eclipse you get a lovely screen to stare at and a metal case so you can throw it off buildings, I dont want either of those. I wan't to shoot my gun and say "Mmm, thats pretty smooth" then look at the guage atfer and say "Mmm thats pretty high", then after listnening to it I'll say "Mmm thats pretty quiet".

The only thing your'e missing here is reliability and then that would be what i look for in a gun too.

Cookybiscuit, on 01 January 2012 - 11:17 PM, said:

-ORaNGe-, on 01 January 2012 - 11:08 PM, said:

So what's your gripe with the Ego?

Take any Ego, and there will be a better performing gun than it, its as simple as that. Less than 5% of me considering the purchase goes to eaes of maintenance, a manual, a box, LCD board and so on, all of which Planet Eclipse guns have in spades. A gun just needs good ergonomics, a good trigger, good grips and to be smooth, quiet and efficient, the Victory has all of those (I took the shitty stock grips off), best gun for me. I've never quite got my head around why people would want to be swarmed in stuff in the box, rather than have a better gun. I dont hate on PE, everything on the gun is amazing, the boards the trigger, packaging etc. But its not worth the exchange to me, for the loss of other things.

Yes, I am 100% bias

pink: agreed the victory does have those.

The ego lacks in the smooth, quiet, and not really as efficient category.

However out of all of this even tho i would shoot a g6r, victory, creed and cyborg rx over an ego, i would NOT say the ego is a bad gun at all. I like them a lot, however for the price theres better out there

[No Mercy Ever]

I like Planet Eclipse, have a pair of Ego's and a Geo. But honestly, I would probably go with a G6R over an Ego, since it has the same features, same maintenance, and costs less. But then again, i have not shot a G6R, so they may not be that comfy of a shot. I am up for giving it a try.

[Cookybiscuit]

vzmaniac, on 01 January 2012 - 11:48 PM, said:

better than what??

you could pick any gun and i could nitpick how in certain atrributes the ego is better than it

victory

macroless has inherrent issues with tracking down leaks from noid areas making the ego "better" because you can take the grip frame off and check where leaks are coming from.
In the rare event of that happening, yes the Ego would be better there. But its easy to tell if its the hoseless body oring leaking, untighten the gripframe screws a smidge and push the grip frame from side to side and try to listen for it getting louder.

the magnetic back cap CAN fail and pop up stoping the gun from shooting that makes the ego "better" because it has threaded backcap which is not known to come undone
It cannot pop up, the magnets are very strong. Even if it did pop up, its just a slab of metal, it wont stop the gun shooting as long as the engine dosent pop out.

the victory uses dow 55 which CAN swell orings leading to damage and issues with effeciency. the ego uses dow 33 nd oil which generally means less damage due to swelled orings and a more standard consistent effeciency
Dow 55 is designed to swell orings, thats the point of using it. The Victory can use oil and Dow 33 if you wanted, Bob said it himself in the tech video 55 or 33, it dosent matter, and I've used Planet Eclipse oil on the bolt since the day I got it.

bob long has cs issues when it comes to electronic contact i have tried in the past to contact bl via email, pm, facebook with no replies to any of them. makes planet eclipse better because i have had response from pe staff within 48 hours EVERY time ive contact them
Thats definetly true, Planet Eclipse been great every time I've dealt with them.

now biasedly pointing out the above you wouldnt be silly in thinking the ego was easily better than the victory.... but thats not the case is it... to me personally the victory and ego are equal. personal preferance dictates which gun you get.... you are not comparing an ion and a victory... or an ego and a tippmann...

i have never uttered the words "i dont know why youd be an idiot and buy a victory when you could have an ego 11 which is soo much better"
Neither have I, the other way around, either.

This post has been edited by Cookybiscuit: 01 January 2012 - 11:58 PM

[xincognitopbx]

vzmaniac, on 01 January 2012 - 11:48 PM, said:

better than what??

you could pick any gun and i could nitpick how in certain atrributes the ego is better than it

victory

macroless has inherrent issues with tracking down leaks from noid areas making the ego "better" because you can take the grip frame off and check where leaks are coming from.

the magnetic back cap CAN fail and pop up stoping the gun from shooting that makes the ego "better" because it has threaded backcap which is not known to come undone

the victory uses dow 55 which CAN swell orings leading to damage and issues with effeciency. the ego uses dow 33 nd oil which generally means less damage due to swelled orings and a more standard consistent effeciency

bob long has cs issues when it comes to electronic contact i have tried in the past to contact bl via email, pm, facebook with no replies to any of them. makes planet eclipse better because i have had response from pe staff within 48 hours EVERY time ive contact them


now biasedly pointing out the above you wouldnt be silly in thinking the ego was easily better than the victory.... but thats not the case is it... to me personally the victory and ego are equal. personal preferance dictates which gun you get.... you are not comparing an ion and a victory... or an ego and a tippmann...

i have never uttered the words "i dont know why youd be an idiot and buy a victory when you could have an ego 11 which is soo much better"

p.s note i said CAN not DOES/WILL purely as example.... please do not give me the fixes to above issues or how frequently they happen.... cause i know both

Who are you kidding? The victory being macrolineless is an advantage..if you are having a leak from the frame its a possible 1 of 2 whopping orings there. Not very hard to fix

The use of dow55 to make orings swell to be unusable would be USER ERROR.

Since when does the backcap pop up....im fairly surre it has TWO screws that must be SNUG and a magnet

All you are doing here is pointing out that the ego11 is more reliable because less things can go wrong. In which case i would totally agree BUT reliability is only 1/4 the battle..you still have smoothness, quietness, and efficiency left!

You can't even say that victories are unreliable. they are still poppets and therefore more reliable than all the spools. And because they are smoother, quieter, more efficient and almost as reliable...i think its pretty hands down one is better than the other

This post has been edited by xincognitopbx: 02 January 2012 - 12:04 AM

[xincognitopbx]

/me *slaps cooky's hand for the tag team beatdown*

[HeroForADay]

Victory back caps pop up due to the magnet coming unglued and failing, the Luxe does the whole quick engine strip thing right.

Macroless can be a PITA to fix once you get a leak, they never wanna seal up right again if it becomes unseated in the slightest, and as a certified tech, this usually happens over time or after a pretty good slam.

Efficiency is redundant past 7 pods anyways, if it can shoot 7 pods and your starting hopper, you're golden. Very, VERY few individuals will ever need anything past that for an insertion or a single tournament point. quietness is something I view as nitpicking to be honest, if you can shout over your gun, you're fine.

The 11 when tuned with anyone whose read the manual is plenty smooth, and the argument of slowing the gun down is also redundant. The need for anything past 15bps is now useless in todays rule set.

But hey, I've only owned Every DM/PM/NT, Marq/Timmy, Ego/Geo, Macdev and DLX (lol) gun ever made.

[xincognitopbx]

HeroForADay, on 02 January 2012 - 12:06 AM, said:

Victory back caps pop up due to the magnet coming unglued and failing, the Luxe does the whole quick engine strip thing right.

Macroless can be a PITA to fix once you get a leak, they never wanna seal up right again if it becomes unseated in the slightest, and as a certified tech, this usually happens over time or after a pretty good slam.

Efficiency is redundant past 7 pods anyways, if it can shoot 7 pods and your starting hopper, you're golden. Very, VERY few individuals will ever need anything past that for an insertion or a single tournament point. quietness is something I view as nitpicking to be honest, if you can shout over your gun, you're fine.

The 11 when tuned with anyone whose read the manual is plenty smooth, and the argument of slowing the gun down is also redundant. The need for anything past 15bps is now useless in todays rule set.

But hey, I've only owned Every DM/PM/NT, Marq/Timmy, Ego/Geo, Macdev and DLX (lol) gun ever made.

Efficiency is not redundant...it shaves time off in the pits if you don't need to refill after a quick point. Also its a luxury if your playing woods/rec and you dont need to hit the fill station as often.

In order to get the gun down quieter than a cyborg or a victory you need to slow the gun down to i forget what latsabb's video was doing. like 10 or 8? Having a gun being able to shoot 16 without altering settings and still being quiet is an advantage.

And to address the macroless, it can have problems...but its still an advantage to me. i cant stand macrolines personally. I will never own another gun with them because they dont look as good and they get in the way sometimes.

[vzmaniac]

Cookybiscuit, on 01 January 2012 - 11:57 PM, said:

vzmaniac, on 01 January 2012 - 11:48 PM, said:

better than what??

you could pick any gun and i could nitpick how in certain atrributes the ego is better than it

victory

macroless has inherrent issues with tracking down leaks from noid areas making the ego "better" because you can take the grip frame off and check where leaks are coming from.
In the rare event of that happening, yes the Ego would be better there. But its easy to tell if its the hoseless body oring leaking, untighten the gripframe screws a smidge and push the grip frame from side to side and try to listen for it getting louder.
for someone who knows what they are doing yes sure for someone new to the gun or new to the fault it is an issue.

the magnetic back cap CAN fail and pop up stoping the gun from shooting that makes the ego "better" because it has threaded backcap which is not known to come undone
It cannot pop up, the magnets are very strong. Even if it did pop up, its just a slab of metal, it wont stop the gun shooting as long as the engine dosent pop out.
i remember shooting jrabs back in the day and his back cap would pop up intermittently. also had a freind that bought a victory and had the same thing happen.... easy fix but it cant happen on the ego

the victory uses dow 55 which CAN swell orings leading to damage and issues with effeciency. the ego uses dow 33 nd oil which generally means less damage due to swelled orings and a more standard consistent effeciency
Dow 55 is designed to swell orings, thats the point of using it. The Victory can use oil and Dow 33 if you wanted, Bob said it himself in the tech video 55 or 33, it dosent matter, and I've used Planet Eclipse oil on the bolt since the day I got it.
doesnt negate that damage CAN be caused using dow 55. and the effeiciency can suffer from its "misuse"

bob long has cs issues when it comes to electronic contact i have tried in the past to contact bl via email, pm, facebook with no replies to any of them. makes planet eclipse better because i have had response from pe staff within 48 hours EVERY time ive contact them
Thats definetly true, Planet Eclipse been great every time I've dealt with them.

now biasedly pointing out the above you wouldnt be silly in thinking the ego was easily better than the victory.... but thats not the case is it... to me personally the victory and ego are equal. personal preferance dictates which gun you get.... you are not comparing an ion and a victory... or an ego and a tippmann...

i have never uttered the words "i dont know why youd be an idiot and buy a victory when you could have an ego 11 which is soo much better"
Neither have I, the other way around, either.
you have said something very similiar numerous times

xincognitopbx, on 01 January 2012 - 11:57 PM, said:

Who are you kidding? The victory being macrolineless is an advantage..if you are having a leak from the frame its a possible 1 of 2 whopping orings there. Not very hard to fix
cant take the gripframe off and still air the gun up is not an advantage... not having macroline is an advantage of this.

The use of dow55 to make orings swell to be unusable would be USER ERROR.
cool so every person that picks up a victory is a master tech ???. it is an issue doesnt happen in the ego...

Since when does the backcap pop up....im fairly surre it has TWO screws that must be SNUG and a magnet
i remember shooting jrabs back in the day and his back cap would pop up intermittently. also had a freind that bought a victory and had the same thing happen.... easy fix but it cant happen on the ego


All you are doing here is pointing out that the ego11 is more reliable because less things can go wrong. In which case i would totally agree BUT reliability is only 1/4 the battle..you still have smoothness, quietness, and efficiency left!
effeciency, smoothness and quietness mean very little to you if your stuck in the pits fixing your gun.... which i have seen with bob long guns which are user error... but funnily enoguh the people mostly upgraded from egos they had no issues with.

You can't even say that victories are unreliable. they are still poppets and therefore more reliable than all the spools. And because they are smoother, quieter, more efficient and almost as reliable...i think its pretty hands down one is better than the other

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p.s note i said CAN not DOES/WILL purely as an EXAMPLE

as to how you could with bias "prove" the ego is "better" than the victory...



also cyborg rx's are a peice of shit and should not be uttered in the same sentance as an ego 11... theres a damn good reason why Macdev dont sell them any more.... because they produced more lemons than working guns.... you may have got a working gun thats ARGUEABLY smoother, quieter or more effeicient than the ego... but i can bet money that its not even half as reliable....

This post has been edited by vzmaniac: 02 January 2012 - 12:18 AM

[Cookybiscuit]

The Victory is pretty loud actually, Marq's have never been amazingly quiet, theres a whole bunch of quieter poppets. As for efficiency, I've only got one tank, my field only fills to 3000 and I like to play outlaw ball, efficiency is a pretty big deal to me.

I wouldn't argue with a gun tech on problems with guns incognito

vzmaniac, on 02 January 2012 - 12:16 AM, said:

also cyborg rx's are a peice of shit and should not be uttered in the same sentance as an ego 11

*Waits for Norwegian strike*

This post has been edited by Cookybiscuit: 02 January 2012 - 12:21 AM

[HeroForADay]

Also, I never understood the "it takes time to fill" argument, just seems lazy to me. I can fill a tank properly (not slammed) in 10 seconds, if you were okay with slam filling - 2 seconds.

Ofcourse it's not a quiet from a user perspective for sure, the top tube isn't sealed as it is in a victory, any spool, or a cyborg. for the people in front of you, there is little to no discernible difference unless you want to hyper tune a DM or Luxe, then yes, I digress, those are quite quiet in any setting. But, I had mine shooting just as quiet as my Geo2, and still hitting the 15 cap for CXBL.

[drunkenpriest]

Cookybiscuit, on 02 January 2012 - 12:19 AM, said:

The Victory is pretty loud actually, Marq's have never been amazingly quiet, theres a whole bunch of quieter poppets. As for efficiency, I've only got one tank, my field only fills to 3000 and I like to play outlaw ball, efficiency is a pretty big deal to me.

I wouldn't argue with a gun tech on problems with guns incognito

vzmaniac, on 02 January 2012 - 12:16 AM, said:

also cyborg rx's are a peice of shit and should not be uttered in the same sentance as an ego 11

*Waits for Norwegian strike*

call latsabb!!! (not sure if i spelt his name right)

[xincognitopbx]

On the account of your PS which i must mention you edited in. i did not see that as i hit reply before you edited it.

1st: not having a macroline is an advantage in ergos but a disadvantage in reliability.

2nd:you dont have to be a master tech to know how to use dow 55 although it would help

3rd: i have not had mine do this yet.

4th: you dont find TONS of victories down in pits like you are trying to make it out to be. There slightly less reliable but again, they are poppets.

Cookybiscuit, on 02 January 2012 - 12:19 AM, said:

The Victory is pretty loud actually, Marq's have never been amazingly quiet, theres a whole bunch of quieter poppets. As for efficiency, I've only got one tank, my field only fills to 3000 and I like to play outlaw ball, efficiency is a pretty big deal to me.

I wouldn't argue with a gun tech on problems with guns incognito

vzmaniac, on 02 January 2012 - 12:16 AM, said:

also cyborg rx's are a peice of shit and should not be uttered in the same sentance as an ego 11

*Waits for Norwegian strike*

Goddamn one liners are good. and anyways im not trying to argue reliability and therefore things that could possibly go wrong. im arguing shot quality ...however you want to rank reliabilty is to each his own. however victories are still reliable guns...egos are just super reliable. Yet egos don't shoot as well as vics ^^

[vzmaniac]

xincognitopbx, on 02 January 2012 - 12:31 AM, said:

On the account of your PS which i must mention you edited in. i did not see that as i hit reply before you edited it.

1st: not having a macroline is an advantage in ergos but a disadvantage in reliability.

2nd:you dont have to be a master tech to know how to use dow 55 although it would help

3rd: i have not had mine do this yet.

4th: you dont find TONS of victories down in pits like you are trying to make it out to be. There slightly less reliable but again, they are poppets.

i do apologise i was not trying to proclaim that bunches of victories go down.... simply that bob long guns owned by people that have had egos without issues in the past... do come upon issues with the bob long...

[xincognitopbx]

vzmaniac, on 02 January 2012 - 12:36 AM, said:

xincognitopbx, on 02 January 2012 - 12:31 AM, said:

On the account of your PS which i must mention you edited in. i did not see that as i hit reply before you edited it.

1st: not having a macroline is an advantage in ergos but a disadvantage in reliability.

2nd:you dont have to be a master tech to know how to use dow 55 although it would help

3rd: i have not had mine do this yet.

4th: you dont find TONS of victories down in pits like you are trying to make it out to be. There slightly less reliable but again, they are poppets.

i do apologise i was not trying to proclaim that bunches of victories go down.... simply that bob long guns owned by people that have had egos without issues in the past... do come upon issues with the bob long...

I agree PE markers are bulletproof and thats why i think they are worth shooting. (i said that earlier in this thread) They aren't BAD by any stretch of the imagination.

I only wanted to point out that a victory will shoot nicer and be more efficient yet be slightly less reliable because of the backcap, macroless etc. BUT then again victories aren't unreliable by any stretch of the imagination compared to other guns.

However you want to rank reliability, smoothness, quietness, and efficiency is to each his own. /thread cuz i think we all pointed that out enough

But then again i can hear the Norwegian strike coming lol. Latsabb protects the name of the cyborg rx, he protects it hard GOOD LUCK

[Cookybiscuit]

Only problems I've had with mine are mostly down to my stupidity, combined with the previous owners stupidity. The LPR, when I lubed it looked like it had never seen grease in its life, which was presumably the cause of the creep since its been fine ever since. It also wouldn't shoot higher than 270 FPS when I got it, because the dummy previous owner set the dwell to 5 rather than 6. Then came my time to shine, being a idiot and not tightening down the gripframe, causing it to leak everywhere, when I got home I wondered why the body was wobbling side to side, then I realised what the leak was...

Bob Long guns reliablity are scaled on your intelligence, if you're an idiot your gun isn't going to work, if you know anything, it will. Almost all the problems are user error, a well kept Victory is just as reliable as a well kept Ego, its just the margin for error is larger on the Victory due to the harder maintenance and the need to be precise with pressures and dwell settings, or they dont work.

[HeroForADay]

I definitely wouldn't say RX's are shit man, they're easily one of the most underrated guns nobody has ever given the time of day to shoot. they fixed the 'reliabilty' issue with an updated rammer, and that was that. Thy're damn good value for a gun now on the used market for $400, especially when the packaging of the product matches any PE gun.

That and the Legend anyway....

[Latsabb]

Yeah, I have to question if someone has ever used or had a Cyborg RX if they want to call it shit, considering that it is likely the best overall package out there. Most guns are good in some areas, and crap in others, but the RX is pretty well rounded. Not the quietest, but quiet enough. Not the smoothest, but smooth enough. Not the most efficient, but more than most need. Not the best grips, but still soft enough, and wrap arounds. Etc, etc. It is the jack of all trades gun. I cant say it is the best in anything, but since it is pretty damn good in everything, I really like it. I love a smooth and quiet gun, but passed a certain point, it isnt a really big deal. You improve upon something that is already good enough.

I need at least 1500 shots off a 68/4500 from my guns. If it can do more, cool. But is it needed? No, not really. So anything over 1500 is gravy. The Cyborg will get a case. More than enough. I like a gun to be reasonably quiet. Is the Cyborg as quiet as most spools? No. But it isnt too far off from some. It is quieter than the Bob Longs, which i also consider to be quiet enough. I can easily hear team mates over the gun, and it doesnt have a sharp sound to it, so it doesnt make me second guess what someone is saying. Is it as smooth as a Victory, or most spools? No. But at the same time, I was upset with the Clone because it was SO smooth, that you couldnt tell when it was working properly or not. I had some problems with my Clone, and seriously, it shot so smooth that you couldnt tell when the FPS wasnt high enough. It permanently felt like a gun shoot below 200 FPS. I like a bit of feedback from the gun, but I respect the smoothness of guns such as the Clone, DM and Luxe. The Cyborg is smooth, but still gives me enough feedback to know that everything is alright.

The Cyborg comes with an OLED board with all the stuff you want on it, plus USB connectivity, a great case, laser eyes (in case anyone gives a shit) a macro out the front ASA, and is fully tooless for all major maintenance items other than the HPR. The enclosed bolt system is a gimmick as far as I am concerned, solving a problem which doesnt really exist, but whatever. Still nice because the pin isnt flying around up top. If they had a better trigger and barrel on it stock, I would have very little to complain about, and trust me, I do a LOT of complaining and nit picking when it comes to guns.

I had two Ego 11s. I wasnt really impressed with the performance of either. One was brand new, straight out of the box (with the noid turned down, and modes changed, obviously) and the other was well shot in, at least 20,000 shots through it. Both felt great, looked great, and had all the luxury you expect from a gun that costs that much, but shot wise, I just didnt see why I would have the Ego over something such as a Vice. The Vice is as smooth, and about as quiet, and costs a ton less, plus it is more efficient. I know why you buy an Ego 11 over a Vice, I just didnt see what the big deal on the performance was. Sure, the Ego 11 is leaps and bounds better than the previous Egos, and I like that Planet is finally heading down that road, but I dont think they are quite there. If they can improve on the Ego 13, and make it shoot better than the Ego 11, without hurting them in the areas they are already good at (see reliability) then I would likely shoot an Ego 13 over a Bob Long. The Bob Long is still likely going to be cheaper, but the performance gap is closing. However, there is still a gap.

Anyway, I am at work, and this is longer than I had planned, so I need to get moving. My miso is now cold, and that means I am about to slap a bitch.

This post has been edited by Latsabb: 02 January 2012 - 01:43 AM

[vzmaniac]

Latsabb, on 02 January 2012 - 01:37 AM, said:

Yeah, I have to question if someone has ever used or had a Cyborg RX if they want to call it shit,
had 3 freinds and 2 other people own rx's and since seeing there constant battles with them i wouldnt own one even if someone gave one to me

The Cyborg comes with an OLED board with all the stuff you want on it, plus USB connectivity, a great case, laser eyes (in case anyone gives a shit) a macro out the front ASA, and is fully tooless for all major maintenance items other than the HPR. The enclosed bolt system is a gimmick as far as I am concerned, solving a problem which doesnt really exist, but whatever. Still nice because the pin isnt flying around up top. If they had a better trigger and barrel on it stock, I would have very little to complain about, and trust me, I do a LOT of complaining and nit picking when it comes to guns.
the board is an el cheapo tadao and shows it... usb plugs falling off, battery terminals falling of from to little solder, being able to pull the actual plug sockets out of the board, the screen failing for no reason.... and the what i regard as silly ability to remove the board.
asa design i personally dont like... to much emphasis put on the 2 orings being constantly lubed and fully sealing for it not to leak.... also when turning it on they have a tendancy to expell a large puff of air before sealing....which is annoying

i agree with the bolt i think its a gimmick and one they didnt pull off very well the holding "pin" that holds the sleeve in place was prone to going flat... or creating a nick in the side of the locator hole which tended to make the bolt pop up and stop the gun working


I had two Ego 11s. I wasnt really impressed with the performance of either. One was brand new, straight out of the box (with the noid turned down, and modes changed, obviously) and the other was well shot in, at least 20,000 shots through it. Both felt great, looked great, and had all the luxury you expect from a gun that costs that much, but shot wise, I just didnt see why I would have the Ego over something such as a Vice. The Vice is as smooth, and about as quiet, and costs a ton less, plus it is more efficient. I know why you buy an Ego 11 over a Vice, I just didnt see what the big deal on the performance was. Sure, the Ego 11 is leaps and bounds better than the previous Egos, and I like that Planet is finally heading down that road, but I dont think they are quite there. If they can improve on the Ego 13, and make it shoot better than the Ego 11, without hurting them in the areas they are already good at (see reliability) then I would likely shoot an Ego 13 over a Bob Long. The Bob Long is still likely going to be cheaper, but the performance gap is closing. However, there is still a gap.

a well thought out person opinion i have no issues with what you have said above.... contrary to what it may seem i really do like bob long guns.... but the lack of support in my local area coupled with the crappy online cs, parts availability and "reduced" reliability over an ego means i will recommend an ego to newbies and non-technically minded peeps well before i recommend a bl gun

me personally id love to able to afford a vice, victory, g6r, older marq etc (all of them) as i love bl guns and am techie minded

my biggest gripe and reason for "the cyborg is shit" is because 2 of my freinds bought rx's and they both would not shoot properly... one still doesnt work 100% and when sent back to macdev to be fixed they discovered the guns had manufacturing defective lprs..... which they were still required to pay for. one bought an sl94 and the other bought an 11 and havent put the guns down and havent had even 1/20th the issues they had with the rx's

my amusement comes from the fact macdev dont sell the gun anymore.... for a gun that was supposed to be an ego killer and macdevs flagship poppet i find it hard to beleive they would stop selling such a "great" gun unless it was unsuccessful, unpopular or had to many issues.....