The fact of the matter is that nothing really valid is coming out of either side of this argument for a few reasons
Paintball, being related to military or real fire arms should never be compared as far as style of weapons.. other then the fact that people call them "guns" which many paintballers are adament against doing anyways by calling them "markers" which, as a history lesson, they started out as. Markers, for marking things, not guns... now it is a competitive sport, and people will call them what ever they want~still, whether it be a musket, or bolt actions (or dare I even MENTION the word sniper)
paintball guns in no way, shape or form can be fairly, or relevantly or accurately compared to true fire arms used by "the military" and other entities. End of story, so using that as any means for your side of this 'disagreement' are fairly irrelevant.
From what I understand, after reading through the entire thread, is this. There is a Disagreement on the value of markers (originating with the CCI Phantom Revolution and later expanding to include CCM models, and other expensive/$500+ pumps).
The first key point I noticed was O-Baller stated:
o-baller, on 15 October 2012 - 11:32 PM, said:
smoke14, on 01 October 2012 - 10:52 AM, said:
The-Phantom, on 30 September 2012 - 09:08 PM, said:
smoke14, on 30 September 2012 - 08:49 PM, said:
Not trying to hate, but is there anything new on the Revolution compared to the Phantom, besides the mini pump handle and new valve system? I know it comes with barrel sizers and a hopper adapter but honestly I don't see anything worth justifying $650+ on it. Is there something I'm missing or is all the rest of the money spent on it just for the looks?
erm... that's kind of a major change... That's similar to asking:
"so like whats the difference between like, a phantom and sniper other than that whole valve thing?"
Sure it's different, but what I'm trying to get at is that a new valve system, pump handle and barrel sizers are going to automatically throw $300 onto it?
No... its not. For that matter, no pump is, being that they are inferior to electros in every measurable feature. Its only worth it if you want it to be.
In context, I'd say it's fair to say this is the post that started this 'off topic' discussion within this thread, so stay with me now
It is an opinion, That can in no way be proven scientifically what is "better" for paintball
On a vice, all of the guns do indeed shoot the same accuracy. Semi's (being referred to as electros) will indeed shoot the same spread as pumps if they are both properly cleaned and maintained, and use same paint.
In doing this the 'electros' will shoot faster...
all of these things can be taken and accepted as nearly factual data... bryce and cockerpunk have empirically tested this to a great extent and found it to be true several times over
Now that is about as far as the "facts" for lack of a better or more accurate term (best known theory technically) go...
The rest of this discussion is merely an opinion. Using hypothetical examples that can and never will happen**
, and out of context quotes, along with strictly opinion isn't going to advance anyone's knowledge on what the topic is... which is news about the phantom revolution. nearly all of this either has nothing to do with the topic, or is so loosely hanging on to some idea from the first page or so of the thread, it's became little more then bickering back and fourth, and more of a pissing match or ego driven battle of keyboard warriors.
If you want to continue to duke it out, feel free to, have PM's back and fourth til your hands cramp up from rage typing than that's your prerogative. But I think at this point it is fairly clear that none of the three parties (O-Baller, DRG, and AsthmaticRhino) are going to have their OPINIONS changed by some "argument" or nearly insulting posts to their knowledge on a subject.
** Suggesting things such as "A Player of "EQUAL SKILL" (or any interchangeable way of saying same talent in paintball level) who is using an electro (or any semi for that matter, anything superior in fire rate to a pump) Versus, A Player of the "SAME SKILL LEVEL" who is using a pump, than the player using the electro will win every time" or will 'generally win' or any of those statements is completely unscientific. Due to the fact, to my knowledge we are unable to have clones of people that are exactly even, because this would be scientifically the only true representation of "equal or same skill level". If there were equal skill people out there, which I believe it is impossible to say, because there are too many factors that go into evaluating ones skill as a paintball player, than if those two people played 100 times with semi's, one would win exactly 50, and the other would win exactly 50. Or they would be on a team and get the same number of eliminations each game. It is too much of an unpredictable fast paced sport that only takes 1 shot in most styles of play to earn an elimination. So the fact is, I or you could be way better than someone, but sometimes we'll have a bad game, and get shot out by them, or lose one on one to them by "fluke" or "luck" or we have a "bad game/bad day/off day" and they have a "good game/good day/on game". The same applies for if we are on the same team or against each other. Naturally one player is going to get more eliminations than another, or survive longer, or grab more flags, and this will vary greatly the more games played. It is an unfair and completely non-scientific statement to make arguments using terms like the ones outlined in purple. And I see this used a lot... I'm sure if you dig into the depths of my posts, I've probably stated it some where along the lines in the past possibly before this realization came to me, but I feel that not only (O-Baller) I'm not trying to pick on you, or any of you three, but many people use this and find it as a good reason or argument for why things are "better" when it is truly an unfair comparison or reasoning in general for anything
TL:DR? well f#@% it at least I tried.
PS: I'm surprised no one said "pumps are lighter" in counter to the fact that they are inferior in every single way... but that's just more fuel to a fire I'd like to see no longer burning up a perfectly decent and legitimate thread
This post has been edited by The-Phantom: 23 October 2012 - 06:09 PM