[airwind336]

I had a barrel break every shot the first time i used my brand new Azodin Kaos. They were in fact barrel breaks and not chops. Even after i cleaned my gun, it still barrel broke every shot.I then used a rental gun and it didnt break at all! Should i buy a .693 barrel?

[andrewthewookie]

No, the barrel is already most likely quite big on the gun. Check your detents to see what condition they're in. Also, what loader were you using, and if it's force-fed, what setting was it on?

[airwind336]

andrewthewookie, on 04 December 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

No, the barrel is already most likely quite big on the gun. Check your detents to see what condition they're in. Also, what loader were you using, and if it's force-fed, what setting was it on?

Im using a spyder fasta 9v

[ContractKiller11]

One of the best ways to stop breaks is underboring this way the paint cannot bounce around.

[airwind336]

Sorry, I'm just starting, how do i check my detents?

[andrewthewookie]

ContractKiller11, on 04 December 2012 - 09:28 PM, said:

One of the best ways to stop breaks is underboring this way the paint cannot bounce around.

That's not what causes barrel breaks.

The detents are the little nubs that stick into the breech from either side, if those are worn down or broken, it could allow paintballs to sit too far forward, which would allow paint up in the stack to sit down in the breech, which would allow the bolt to hit them as it came forward, fracturing the shell. When this paint is then shot, it ruptures down in the barrel.

This post has been edited by andrewthewookie: 04 December 2012 - 09:31 PM

[airwind336]

andrewthewookie, on 04 December 2012 - 09:29 PM, said:

ContractKiller11, on 04 December 2012 - 09:28 PM, said:

One of the best ways to stop breaks is underboring this way the paint cannot bounce around.

That's not what causes barrel breaks. If your detents are fine, try switching up the paint you use, if possible, and see if it's just a bad batch of paint you got.

I don't believe it was the paint, because it worked with a rental

[marceldacs]

ContractKiller11, on 04 December 2012 - 09:28 PM, said:

One of the best ways to stop breaks is underboring this way the paint cannot bounce around.

are you sure i always heard that underboring causes more breaks because it squeezes the paintballs. Overboring is easier on paint, has the same accuracy, and is quieter. Its only disadvantage is efficiency and i believe consistency but the latter may just depend on paint.

[airwind336]

The detents are the little nubs that stick into the breech from either side, if those are worn down or broken, it could allow paintballs to sit too far forward, which would allow paint up in the stack to sit down in the breech, which would allow the bolt to hit them as it came forward, fracturing the shell. When this paint is then shot, it ruptures down in the barrel.
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What do i do if my detents are bad? I don't think it would because its brand new though. If its not the detents, what else can i do?

[andrewthewookie]

Safely underboring does not cause more barrel breaks. You can get up to like .007ish under and be fine. .004 is about the butter zone for proper underboring. That said, the barrel is not the issue here, unless there are physical deformities that can be seen or felt in the stock barrel.

If the detents look ok, take a paintball and stick it in the breech, and see how far forward it sits. Push it a little, and see if it's easy to push past the detents. The Fasta puts quite a bit of pressure on the paintballs, so it could simply be pushing past the ability of the detents.

This post has been edited by andrewthewookie: 04 December 2012 - 09:37 PM

[ContractKiller11]

marceldacs, on 04 December 2012 - 09:32 PM, said:

ContractKiller11, on 04 December 2012 - 09:28 PM, said:

One of the best ways to stop breaks is underboring this way the paint cannot bounce around.

are you sure i always heard that underboring causes more breaks because it squeezes the paintballs. Overboring is easier on paint, has the same accuracy, and is quieter. Its only disadvantage is efficiency and i believe consistency but the latter may just depend on paint.

I've seen quite a few people break paint and then underbore and shoot lazers.. Probably depends on the paint used too. I've really never saw it tested before.. Only saw it in a video and on the field a couple times..

[The Inflicted]

airwind336, on 04 December 2012 - 09:10 PM, said:

andrewthewookie, on 04 December 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

No, the barrel is already most likely quite big on the gun. Check your detents to see what condition they're in. Also, what loader were you using, and if it's force-fed, what setting was it on?

Im using a spyder fasta 9v

Does your Fasta have the upgraded impeller with the hoses on the tips?
Before mine had those the Fasta was punching little holes into the balls as it fed them into the gun. They looked like barrel breaks but it wasn't the gun's fault.
If you have a simple, unadgitated hopper, try using that too.

[airwind336]

The Inflicted, on 05 December 2012 - 12:21 AM, said:

airwind336, on 04 December 2012 - 09:10 PM, said:

andrewthewookie, on 04 December 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

No, the barrel is already most likely quite big on the gun. Check your detents to see what condition they're in. Also, what loader were you using, and if it's force-fed, what setting was it on?

Im using a spyder fasta 9v

Does your Fasta have the upgraded impeller with the hoses on the tips?
Before mine had those the Fasta was punching little holes into the balls as it fed them into the gun. They looked like barrel breaks but it wasn't the gun's fault.
If you have a simple, unadgitated hopper, try using that too.

Im sorry, i was actually using a gravity hopper that day. I also checked my detents and they were fine. If it isnt my paint, barrel, detents or hopper, then what's the cause of my barrel breaks?

This post has been edited by airwind336: 05 December 2012 - 12:35 AM

[obft]

What kind of paint were you shooting and what were you chronoed at?

[airwind336]

obft, on 05 December 2012 - 11:01 AM, said:

What kind of paint were you shooting and what were you chronoed at?

My field paint, which idk what it is, but it can't be the paint, because it worked in a rental. i checked it after and it was at 210 fps.

[airwind336]

My detents are fine, the paint can be blown out the barrel, its all clean. I still haven't figured it out

[CRU]

marceldacs, on 04 December 2012 - 09:32 PM, said:

ContractKiller11, on 04 December 2012 - 09:28 PM, said:

One of the best ways to stop breaks is underboring this way the paint cannot bounce around.

are you sure i always heard that underboring causes more breaks because it squeezes the paintballs. Overboring is easier on paint, has the same accuracy, and is quieter. Its only disadvantage is efficiency and i believe consistency but the latter may just depend on paint.

Ok first thing may be a bit off topic but I have to say it. Over boring is less consistent than under boring which means it is less accurate. The boys at punks works have spent a TON of time testing that and in EVERY case under boring was show to be more accurate / consistent.

Back on topic, If there is something wrong with your barrel, lick a small nick on the inside, it could fracture the shell and break paint. If the paint was cold or brittle, and the non rental gun runs at a higher operating pressure, it could be a bit rougher on the paint and possibly break the shell in the loading process. I have seen some barrels that were slightly bent break paint like a blender.

Is the paint breaking at the center of the barrel or closer to the threads?

[andrewthewookie]

CRU, on 05 December 2012 - 10:34 PM, said:

Ok first thing may be a bit off topic but I have to say it. Over boring is less consistent than under boring which means it is less accurate. The boys at punks works have spent a TON of time testing that and in EVERY case under boring was show to be more accurate / consistent.

Overboring and underboring are both about as consistent as each other. It takes an FPS spread of over +- 15ish fps before we can even see any change in accuracy. That is what Punkworks has said.

[CRU]

you wanna fight hairy boy?

[andrewthewookie]