[III Kezia III]

thats the most badass looking milsim marker i've seen. looks wise

[Billy Badass-RPF]

I like how the magazine well blends into the gun better. Awesome that a bundle with Eight mags is around $650.IMO it beats rap4 because of their ridiculous pricing. If its as durable as a MILSIG,we've got a real winner.

[D.A.M.Baller321]

Hopefully they're fs rounds are actually affordable and will work in my dam and aren't just made to fit they're mags. Where can I get info on they're fs rounds?

[andrewthewookie]

They're going to be the same profile as current FS rounds, that would be dumb to limit themselves to only their guns, when they could have the whole FS shooting market available.

Start here and read into the thread some more http://www.mcarterbr...tml#post2473354

For me, the biggest thing I like is the lack of a "nipple" on the front, and a more consistent looking skirt.

This post has been edited by andrewthewookie: 23 February 2013 - 10:30 PM

[D.A.M.Baller321]

They might have done that to try and sell more of there guns. Isn't that why Tiberius came out with the fs in the first place.

[andrewthewookie]

FS rounds are a "civilian" recreational version of the rounds that the FN303 shoots, which was the gun developed by Tom Kaye for FN, IIRC. Tiberius took advantage of a situation, and had the rounds brought to market, essentially. They developed their own guns to take advantage later on, since the T8 and T9 were not originally developed for FS use.

This post has been edited by andrewthewookie: 23 February 2013 - 10:43 PM

[The Inflicted]

Cookybiscuit, on 20 February 2013 - 07:34 PM, said:

Don't understand these new FS's.

They're plastic?

ALL first strike rounds have been plastic.

I imagine the Scarab version, if it's ever released, will be plastic as well.
The ones pictured above are prototypes as they work out shell shape, manufacturing technique, and rifling angle.

[UV Halo]

Just for clarity: First Strike Rounds are a specialized form of polystyrene designed to handle the impact/shock of firing, feeding, etc but, break on impact. This manufacturing process is patented and held by Perfect Circle Paintball and they are the sole manufacturers of FN303 rounds and, FS rounds.

I'm not sure what the point of those prototypes are. If they wanted to make projectiles to compare to their own in-house design, they could've simply bought some First Strike rounds. If they try to use the designs pictured, they are clearly infringing on patents held by Perfect Circle Paintball:

First, the patent pending for the First Strike Round
Two patents applied to the original FN303 rounds and methods of manufacture:
May 2001
September 2003

Key phrases:
"a shell comprising a generally hemispherical member in a first portion of the projectile, a sidewall member in a second portion of the projectile, and a cross member therebetween" In other words, nose, skirt, and equatorial wall.

"a fill located within the closed cavity of the generally hemispherical member, the fill having a marking component, and the fill having a density of greater than 10 lb/gallon." Read that: Payload up front, and dense enough to put the center of gravity forward of the center of pressure.

"further comprising a plurality of protrusions extending from the outer surface of the sidewall member." Read: fins

"wherein the sidewall member has a frustoconical shape with a larger outside diameter at the first end of the sidewall member than at the second end of the sidewall member." In other words, the skirt is tapered towards the rear so that the fins are approximately the same width as the equator.

The only thing I didn't really see described in this particular patent application is the angle of the fins (in the FN303 rounds, it's described as .0708 revolution per inch of fin length).

Competition could be a good thing but, I would hope that it's not attained by ripping off the designs.

[PREDATOR 47]

It looks like you take whatever paint you want to use and insert it into a rubber-ish set of fins. Posted on Scarab Arms Facebook page.

[D.A.M.Baller321]

That looks cool as hell but I.can certainly see that being even more costly than fs. I know those rubber fins are reusable but who has the time to look through the woods for those little fins. Maybe if they were a bright a color like orange or neon colors those would just be an expensive sacrifice to the paintball gods.

[UV Halo]

Crossposted from MCB:

I don't get it. What's the point? By rough calculations, not accounting for wall thickness, a first strike round has half the payload of a normal paintball and that should be more than the payload of a .50 round.

Then, I suspect that those 'sabots' (for lack of a better term) will actually inhibit the paint spread, if they remain attached to the ball. This is because when a round hits flesh (or cloth covered flesh), the round sinks in a bit before fracturing and, the shell and the impact surface may completely enclose the round.

Maybe this isn't meant for regular paintball but, pure mil-sim (in the canadian sense of the term describing a game format).

[brycelarson]

I wonder how heavy those rubber sabots are? Maybe they're for training purposes. Hard to imaging them being useful in a recreational setting.

[UV Halo]

brycelarson, on 26 February 2013 - 01:47 PM, said:

I wonder how heavy those rubber sabots are? Maybe they're for training purposes. Hard to imaging them being useful in a recreational setting.

I dunno but, they'd want to keep them as light as possible to keep the center of gravity as far forward as possible (this is the reason for the thicker fill of the FS rounds).

[Billy Badass-RPF]

I believe they said $25 dollars for 100 rounds. In fact i'm sure of it

[D.A.M.Baller321]

Well in that case they're cheaper then fs rounds.

[SWAT3050]

https://www.facebook...&type=2

clears up a few things. I also read somewhere (im trying to find it again) the fin section is made of a pressed foam type material that breaks up on impact.

[D.A.M.Baller321]

SWAT3050, on 01 March 2013 - 12:08 AM, said:

https://www.facebook...&type=2

clears up a few things. I also read somewhere (im trying to find it again) the fin section is made of a pressed foam type material that breaks up on impact.

Then that would take care of all the weight issues I was worried about. That much rubber would need a lot of pressure behind it to hit 300 fps.

[andrewthewookie]

Now it comes down to:

• How heavy are these rounds?
• Is their range comparable to FS rounds, better, or worse?
• What's the environmental impact of using these? Will they break apart over time or degrade in the environment?
• If they don't hit a target just right, is the likelihood of a break or significant marking upon impact still good?
• How will they fare in a magazine? the FS rounds can handle curves and bends, can these?

This post has been edited by andrewthewookie: 01 March 2013 - 12:14 AM

[SWAT3050]

All good questions and those will be answered in the coming weeks. They have a pick of them loaded into a SAR12 mag and they fit like a glove.




Also here is a test shot.
https://www.facebook...&type=2

I'm pullin this from their facebook page for ya.

[andrewthewookie]

Yeah, saw those already.