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So tippmans now blamed for better marketing then others? And they can afford this better marketing because they made a product that stands the test of time.
Like I have said many many times. Sure there are guns that out of the box in a Tippmanns price rang may be lighter smoother and more efficient. But I been using Tippmanns for 14 years I have no trouble getting eliminations and my 14 year old Tippmann Pro/Carbine has be nothing but reliable needing ONE oring replaced in 14 YEARS. The sear is showing wear now and the grip screws are rusty but the bloody thing works.
You don't become a major industry player by producing crap. Tippmanns sell because they have a reputation of being reliable shooters that are durable and beginner friendly. They can be neglected and still just work. Few other guns can that.
I have owned and used many other guns in 14 years. Yet I still choose now own three tippmans and use two of those on a reg basis. Sure I own better lighter faster guns as well and enjoy shooting them but my Tippmans still put a smile on my face and I still shoot out my opponents equally as often.
And lastly if you are tired out by carrying a Tippmann A5 up a hill on a daily basis that says more about your lack of conditioning than about a gun made to last. And not being able to aim a 98. Again that's a skill issue all paintball guns are equal in accuracy. I can be just as accurate with my A5, SL-68II, Pro/Carbine as I can with my Automags, DP E1, Trracer, or PGP. And in some cases more so. I shoot my SL-68II the most there for have gotten used to it and can point it on target faster and more accurately then most anything else due to muscle memory. Just takes a but if adjustment when switching guns.
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 08:08 AM
Great points above.
Also, what other paintball gun offers a LIFETIME warranty?... Oh yeah, the Tippmann! I had a super old 98 custom that the receiver cracked on it when one of my guys fell down a hill and landed on it in a creekbed. (It must have been about 12 years old) I sent it in to Tippmann, and they sent me a BRAND NEW 98...
I have 3 98's two of which have never had their cases opened. Ever. And they work EVERY time we pull them out of the gun stand and use them. In snow, sleet, rain, warm weather, whatever. Just pick it up and play. That is ALL original, and work for 7+ years straight.
I shoot real guns a lot, and the recoil of my A-5 feels "right" to me, I'm sure I could buy a smoother firing marker, but it wouldn't feel like a real gun then. And I enjoy shooting guns with some kick that have similar firing "feel" of real guns.
I wrote this on another board recently, and it applies here as well.
"I always find it interesting how many people look down on Tippmann users... Almost like if you use a Tippmann, you aren't serious about paintball, or you are a newb... I realize many people judge others skill level by the equipment they use, but in paintball, the skill is your ability to win games, and get eliminations. And the key to that, is being able to put balls on target, when you have to quickly get an elimination. I never have to worry about my Tippmann A-5 not firing.
Every time I pull the trigger it works. (unless I forgot to turn on my remote line... but, that isn't my markers fault! Lol).
I have zero desire to spend money on the latest and greatest out there. And I never feel "overpowered" by someone shooting streams of paint at me. I just take my shot (semi auto) and move on. I get them, or they get me. It wasn't their markers "perceived value" that got me out... It was the players skill.
Some of us CHOOSE to play with Tippmanns because they are made in the USA, and WORK really well. That doesn't make us "less" serious about paintball. It may mean we just don't want to spend our time working on our markers..."
Also, what other paintball gun offers a LIFETIME warranty?... Oh yeah, the Tippmann! I had a super old 98 custom that the receiver cracked on it when one of my guys fell down a hill and landed on it in a creekbed. (It must have been about 12 years old) I sent it in to Tippmann, and they sent me a BRAND NEW 98...
I have 3 98's two of which have never had their cases opened. Ever. And they work EVERY time we pull them out of the gun stand and use them. In snow, sleet, rain, warm weather, whatever. Just pick it up and play. That is ALL original, and work for 7+ years straight.
I shoot real guns a lot, and the recoil of my A-5 feels "right" to me, I'm sure I could buy a smoother firing marker, but it wouldn't feel like a real gun then. And I enjoy shooting guns with some kick that have similar firing "feel" of real guns.
I wrote this on another board recently, and it applies here as well.
"I always find it interesting how many people look down on Tippmann users... Almost like if you use a Tippmann, you aren't serious about paintball, or you are a newb... I realize many people judge others skill level by the equipment they use, but in paintball, the skill is your ability to win games, and get eliminations. And the key to that, is being able to put balls on target, when you have to quickly get an elimination. I never have to worry about my Tippmann A-5 not firing.
Every time I pull the trigger it works. (unless I forgot to turn on my remote line... but, that isn't my markers fault! Lol).
I have zero desire to spend money on the latest and greatest out there. And I never feel "overpowered" by someone shooting streams of paint at me. I just take my shot (semi auto) and move on. I get them, or they get me. It wasn't their markers "perceived value" that got me out... It was the players skill.
Some of us CHOOSE to play with Tippmanns because they are made in the USA, and WORK really well. That doesn't make us "less" serious about paintball. It may mean we just don't want to spend our time working on our markers..."
This post has been edited by FreeEnterprise: 12 February 2013 - 08:12 AM
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 09:26 AM
GoG eNMEy offers lifetime warranty. And reliability should be a given for all markers at this point. Tippmanns used to be the only reliable ones out there, but now it doesn't matter at all. My Ion, save for some little hose problem, shoots fine, and the screws and the frame are all worn out and rusted for the most part. Still shoots better than a Tippmann. Easy to beginners? That's just a marketing gimmick, when in reality it just means: hey, our guns use such a simple, outdated design, you don't need to do shit! But honestly, how hard is it to actually open up your gun and look at it once and a while? When I get a new marker, I bust that bad boy open and look at every little part just out of curiosity, and put it back together just fine. Durable? My eXTCy has taken far more abuse than most people have with their Tippmanns. The rest is unnecessary. "Oh you can run it over with a truck and throw it off a building at it still works!" So what? No reason in paintball for that to ever happen. Reliability is an issue of the user for the most part. Sure it works almost all the time, but I've seen Tippmanns break down at my field very often as well. Hell, something went up with my powertube on my 98 and I needed to get it fixed, just like any other gun out there. Don't automags still work? Some yes and some no. What about Ego9's? Yeah some do and some don't. It's mostly the owner's fault. But a marker that you are able to neglect in exchange for nicer quality, both performance and shot wise? Not worth it.
Kicks like a real gun? Silly point there. Tippmann used to produce good guns, in comparison to what else was sold at the time, but now, they're a waste of money, since there's obviously better markers for the price. Now they're just using they're old marketing tactics to appease the people who think paintball is still all woodsball milsim.
Kicks like a real gun? Silly point there. Tippmann used to produce good guns, in comparison to what else was sold at the time, but now, they're a waste of money, since there's obviously better markers for the price. Now they're just using they're old marketing tactics to appease the people who think paintball is still all woodsball milsim.
Panda Man, on 14 April 2013 - 12:26 AM, said:
^Sad part is, your little... Disruptive Barrels are the quietest beating out a Lucky one by .02 Decibels. :P
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 10:15 AM
Life time warranty on the Bolt engine and such or until company goes under again lol. Need i remind you GOG formerly known as Smart Parts has also gone out of business once. And have DONE some of the BIGGEST damage to this sport EVER with Patent lawsuits they earned by UNMORAL business practices (forced company that owned these patents into bankruptcy and bought them out.. They made GUNs for years with CRAP boards in a HIGH price bracket and Stole most there so call ground breaking Tech from other companies. And its the same People running this company NOW as was back when all this came too.
Tippmann has stood behind the quality product they have sold since DAY ONE back in the early 80s. They brought MANY innovations to the industry. FIRST Full auto, Fundamental in the development of SEMI Auto, First Force feed Feeding system (Factory F/A), And the Flatline Barrel (in some ways still superior to the Apex 2 i have both).
Yes there are other guns that are equally Reliable Sheridan's for one and Automags for sure and they them selfs also helped shape this sport (HPA for one). But Even AGD has not run as long as Tippmann and has never seen the success that Tippmann has.
But this all boils down to Preference. You may feel a Tippmann is NOT worth your $ but at the end of the day theres hundreds of thousands of people who disagree with you. They work for many myself included that been playing this sport nearly as long as you been ALIVE and own guns Equally as old.
Also remember Pumps are inferior in EVERY way to say a modern Electro Pneumatic marker or Even a Mech Semi. They are OUT DATED technology. But people Still enjoy them and spend upwards of $700 for them because guess what THATS what they like to shoot. Are you going to say they are Garbage or a wast of money?
It is obvious some here dont like Tippmanns and i respect that opinion but don't go around spewing FALSE FACTS. Ya can say you Prefer such a marker and think its a better deal but to throw down SLANDER against an entire company simply cause you dont like there product is BS.
And heres some pics of my Personal Tippmanns to show i speak the Truth.
14 Year OLD Tippmann Pro/Carbine
My A5 with Flatline and Apex 2
And my SL-68II
Tippmann has stood behind the quality product they have sold since DAY ONE back in the early 80s. They brought MANY innovations to the industry. FIRST Full auto, Fundamental in the development of SEMI Auto, First Force feed Feeding system (Factory F/A), And the Flatline Barrel (in some ways still superior to the Apex 2 i have both).
Yes there are other guns that are equally Reliable Sheridan's for one and Automags for sure and they them selfs also helped shape this sport (HPA for one). But Even AGD has not run as long as Tippmann and has never seen the success that Tippmann has.
But this all boils down to Preference. You may feel a Tippmann is NOT worth your $ but at the end of the day theres hundreds of thousands of people who disagree with you. They work for many myself included that been playing this sport nearly as long as you been ALIVE and own guns Equally as old.
Also remember Pumps are inferior in EVERY way to say a modern Electro Pneumatic marker or Even a Mech Semi. They are OUT DATED technology. But people Still enjoy them and spend upwards of $700 for them because guess what THATS what they like to shoot. Are you going to say they are Garbage or a wast of money?
It is obvious some here dont like Tippmanns and i respect that opinion but don't go around spewing FALSE FACTS. Ya can say you Prefer such a marker and think its a better deal but to throw down SLANDER against an entire company simply cause you dont like there product is BS.
And heres some pics of my Personal Tippmanns to show i speak the Truth.
14 Year OLD Tippmann Pro/Carbine
My A5 with Flatline and Apex 2
And my SL-68II
This post has been edited by TinyBear: 12 February 2013 - 11:57 AM
AGD 68 Automag, AGD RT ULE, DP E1, Empire Trracer, Tiberius T8.1, Sheridan PGP 2k, Tippmann A5, Tippmann Pro/Carbine, Tippmann SL-68II
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 10:54 AM
The eNMEy's lifetime warranty is only for the engine. And quit bashing Tippmann's, they are not shit by any means. They may not shoot as nice as some other guns, but they work more than well enough to do the job, and they just go forever. If I were to go play paintball at a place where I couldn't maintain the gun, get parts for it, or whatever, a Tippmann would be the first gun I would reach for.
Think about the guys who play paintball all over the world, like Russia or in South America. Do you think they always have clean facilities and parts readily available to service their guns? You would be silly to say yes. They need something that will work, no matter what, or they can't play. They might not be able to afford to buy replacement parts all the time, or they don't want to deal with it, they just want to play. An that's where one could argue that some Tippmann owners are more hardcore players than anyone else. They shift their entire focus in paintball to playing, nothing else. Not the equipment, not maintenance, just playing the game they love.
And the similar kick to a real gun is far from silly. Over time, shooting the same gun over and over builds muscle memory. Your body becomes acclimated to how a gun shoots, how it feels in your hands, and how to maneuver it. It almost becomes second nature to aim and shoot. Having a paintball gun that has the same feel as your real shooter is awesome, shooting that marker is second nature.
EDIT: It's also kinda hard to talk shit on a marker that's been in the game longer than you could wipe your own ass, myself included.
Think about the guys who play paintball all over the world, like Russia or in South America. Do you think they always have clean facilities and parts readily available to service their guns? You would be silly to say yes. They need something that will work, no matter what, or they can't play. They might not be able to afford to buy replacement parts all the time, or they don't want to deal with it, they just want to play. An that's where one could argue that some Tippmann owners are more hardcore players than anyone else. They shift their entire focus in paintball to playing, nothing else. Not the equipment, not maintenance, just playing the game they love.
And the similar kick to a real gun is far from silly. Over time, shooting the same gun over and over builds muscle memory. Your body becomes acclimated to how a gun shoots, how it feels in your hands, and how to maneuver it. It almost becomes second nature to aim and shoot. Having a paintball gun that has the same feel as your real shooter is awesome, shooting that marker is second nature.
EDIT: It's also kinda hard to talk shit on a marker that's been in the game longer than you could wipe your own ass, myself included.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 06:47 PM
I love my tippmann 98 custom. Mainly because i live in the middle of nowhere and am a poor college student that has neither the time nor the money to drive 3 hours it takes to get to the nearest proshop. That, and I play nothing but woodsball, which makes the reliability and durability the main selling point for me. Most of the local guys that I know use tippmann A5s, and they like them for the same reasons.
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 01:00 PM
I almost made the mistake of buying a tippman as my first marker I was a click away then I changed my mind and researched more and I am happier then all my friends who bought the a5.... Four of them already want new guns and its been 4 months since they bought there a5...An a5 will always work and there's very little maintenance but that's about all your getting over an electronic marker... People always talk about getting tippmanns for reliability and durability and from I can see the electronic guns are more reliable and close to as durable as a tippman
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 03:21 PM
I have seen a lot of people really enjoy the A5 so it is a matter of what you want to do. For example I use the Phenom. I know I want to play in the Woods. Frankly I also know if I play Xball or something I don't want to slide around I will hurt myself. I like the weight of a heavy gun it helps me control my aim. I also know for a fact I want to play senerio games so the milsim look is going to help me enjoy the game. I am willing to give up things for the durablity of a Tippmann.
On the other hand My daughter plays a different style of game and I ordered her a GoG eXTCy. She wants the lighter gun and may want to play other types of paintball that I am just not going to pay.
One thing to consider and this is what people that say Tippmann's cost to much leave out. A Tippmann A-5 or Phenom has the cyclone feed it fires faster than I will ever need it comes with the gun. If you buy another gun remember the gun cost $50 to $200 dollars more than what they are telling you because you must buy a Hopper. I ordered a Pinokio hopper for my daughter. So her eXTCy is really a $350 gun.
My advice figure out what you want and get it and enjoy whatever you get. In the end you have to play with it and what you think is all that matters at the end of the day.
On the other hand My daughter plays a different style of game and I ordered her a GoG eXTCy. She wants the lighter gun and may want to play other types of paintball that I am just not going to pay.
One thing to consider and this is what people that say Tippmann's cost to much leave out. A Tippmann A-5 or Phenom has the cyclone feed it fires faster than I will ever need it comes with the gun. If you buy another gun remember the gun cost $50 to $200 dollars more than what they are telling you because you must buy a Hopper. I ordered a Pinokio hopper for my daughter. So her eXTCy is really a $350 gun.
My advice figure out what you want and get it and enjoy whatever you get. In the end you have to play with it and what you think is all that matters at the end of the day.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 03:49 PM
Exile308, on 10 March 2013 - 03:21 PM, said:
I have seen a lot of people really enjoy the A5 so it is a matter of what you want to do. For example I use the Phenom. I know I want to play in the Woods. Frankly I also know if I play Xball or something I don't want to slide around I will hurt myself. I like the weight of a heavy gun it helps me control my aim. I also know for a fact I want to play senerio games so the milsim look is going to help me enjoy the game. I am willing to give up things for the durablity of a Tippmann.
On the other hand My daughter plays a different style of game and I ordered her a GoG eXTCy. She wants the lighter gun and may want to play other types of paintball that I am just not going to pay.
One thing to consider and this is what people that say Tippmann's cost to much leave out. A Tippmann A-5 or Phenom has the cyclone feed it fires faster than I will ever need it comes with the gun. If you buy another gun remember the gun cost $50 to $200 dollars more than what they are telling you because you must buy a Hopper. I ordered a Pinokio hopper for my daughter. So her eXTCy is really a $350 gun.
My advice figure out what you want and get it and enjoy whatever you get. In the end you have to play with it and what you think is all that matters at the end of the day.
On the other hand My daughter plays a different style of game and I ordered her a GoG eXTCy. She wants the lighter gun and may want to play other types of paintball that I am just not going to pay.
One thing to consider and this is what people that say Tippmann's cost to much leave out. A Tippmann A-5 or Phenom has the cyclone feed it fires faster than I will ever need it comes with the gun. If you buy another gun remember the gun cost $50 to $200 dollars more than what they are telling you because you must buy a Hopper. I ordered a Pinokio hopper for my daughter. So her eXTCy is really a $350 gun.
My advice figure out what you want and get it and enjoy whatever you get. In the end you have to play with it and what you think is all that matters at the end of the day.
Yes, but the feeder is an investment that can benefit her in the long run. That Pinokio hopper will probably have her set for a long time. If she decides to upgrade to a new gun, that hopper can be used with it.
If you have an A5, there is no investment. If you ever decide to change to a new gun you're going to have to buy a new feeder anyways.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 04:10 PM
dustyshouri, on 10 March 2013 - 03:49 PM, said:
Exile308, on 10 March 2013 - 03:21 PM, said:
I have seen a lot of people really enjoy the A5 so it is a matter of what you want to do. For example I use the Phenom. I know I want to play in the Woods. Frankly I also know if I play Xball or something I don't want to slide around I will hurt myself. I like the weight of a heavy gun it helps me control my aim. I also know for a fact I want to play senerio games so the milsim look is going to help me enjoy the game. I am willing to give up things for the durablity of a Tippmann.
On the other hand My daughter plays a different style of game and I ordered her a GoG eXTCy. She wants the lighter gun and may want to play other types of paintball that I am just not going to pay.
One thing to consider and this is what people that say Tippmann's cost to much leave out. A Tippmann A-5 or Phenom has the cyclone feed it fires faster than I will ever need it comes with the gun. If you buy another gun remember the gun cost $50 to $200 dollars more than what they are telling you because you must buy a Hopper. I ordered a Pinokio hopper for my daughter. So her eXTCy is really a $350 gun.
My advice figure out what you want and get it and enjoy whatever you get. In the end you have to play with it and what you think is all that matters at the end of the day.
On the other hand My daughter plays a different style of game and I ordered her a GoG eXTCy. She wants the lighter gun and may want to play other types of paintball that I am just not going to pay.
One thing to consider and this is what people that say Tippmann's cost to much leave out. A Tippmann A-5 or Phenom has the cyclone feed it fires faster than I will ever need it comes with the gun. If you buy another gun remember the gun cost $50 to $200 dollars more than what they are telling you because you must buy a Hopper. I ordered a Pinokio hopper for my daughter. So her eXTCy is really a $350 gun.
My advice figure out what you want and get it and enjoy whatever you get. In the end you have to play with it and what you think is all that matters at the end of the day.
Yes, but the feeder is an investment that can benefit her in the long run. That Pinokio hopper will probably have her set for a long time. If she decides to upgrade to a new gun, that hopper can be used with it.
If you have an A5, there is no investment. If you ever decide to change to a new gun you're going to have to buy a new feeder anyways.
Yes the feeder may benefit her. Then again she may break it who knows. But this is a Budget baller section so I thin it is important for it to be brought up that the cost of the non cyclone feed guns doesn't get you shooting. I am hopping the Pinoiko is just that an investment. Because anything she gets in the future she is going to have to buy herself. But in my opinion the durablity of a Tippmann is an investment. Will a Tippmann have great resale value? Of course not. But I will have it for years. There is no better paintball investment than knowing the gun I have will be good for years.
I am not knocking other guns or the thought process. As you can see I have one for me and a different one for how I set my daughter up. If I was going to give advice it would this. Get a great mask first and a tank. Then learn about the type game you want to play and figure out markers that work best for your style. No need to rush out of a rental till you are sure what you want to use. Most importantly have fun
