[Nobben #44]

TK-421, on 06 March 2013 - 01:05 AM, said:

Windows 8 sucks, I hated every second I had to use it. It took me two months before I could wipe my hard drive and install Windows 7. I'm so glad I finally have 7, because 8 is pure junk and I despise it. Microsoft went "Hey, we have this new tablet OS, it's totally cool." "We also need a new desktop OS too." "No we don't, we'll just tell people to install the tablet OS on their desktop, they'll never know the difference."

It also doesn't help that it's too new and Steam doesn't work well on 8, my printer doesn't work on 8, and lots of other stuff doesn't work on 8. When I buy a desktop OS, I want a desktop OS, I don't want a tablet/desktop OS.

I've had Windows 8 for quite a while now. Everything, and I mean everything that worked on Windows 7 works in Win8. Games, programs and steam, all work perfectly.
Actually, more stuff is working as I have less compatabillity issues.

Steephill, on 06 March 2013 - 07:11 AM, said:

I must be lucky then, I have had 0 driver issues. Everything runs smoothly. And I use Steam daily for several hours with no hickups. Not saying you didnt have problems, but I havent had any.

Mee too really.

This post has been edited by Nobben #44: 06 March 2013 - 02:42 PM

[Latsabb]

Also, for the people that dont like the full screen start menu, you can just get an app that changes it back to the classic style. I am not a fan of the full screen start menu either. Desktop mode with the start menu app, and you are good to go.

[cockerpunk]

Lime, on 05 March 2013 - 04:28 PM, said:

cockerpunk, on 05 March 2013 - 11:25 AM, said:

Latsabb, on 05 March 2013 - 11:25 AM, said:

Although I think you are correct for the general user, cockerpunk, I dont think we will see a move away from desktops any time soon for actual gaming. The gaming hardware is always going to need the room, and touch interfaces simply dont translate over as well as mouse and keyboard.

yet ....

Bullshit. Touch is impossible to play anything more than Angry Birds type games and you know it.

Lime, on 05 March 2013 - 05:46 PM, said:

Nobben #44, on 05 March 2013 - 05:13 PM, said:

Lime, on 05 March 2013 - 04:28 PM, said:

cockerpunk, on 05 March 2013 - 11:25 AM, said:

Latsabb, on 05 March 2013 - 11:25 AM, said:

Although I think you are correct for the general user, cockerpunk, I dont think we will see a move away from desktops any time soon for actual gaming. The gaming hardware is always going to need the room, and touch interfaces simply dont translate over as well as mouse and keyboard.

yet ....

Bullshit. Touch is impossible to play anything more than Angry Birds type games and you know it.

His point still stands, what is now doesn't speak at all on what's to come.

I will be thoroughly surprised, but then again impossible things have happened...

[Latsabb]

Touch wont provide enough keys, positive feedback, or, frankly, comfortable positions. On top of that, touch requires you to block your view with your hands as you operate the controls. Touch will never be for actual gamers. It is for casual games such as Angry Birds and stuff, or games specifically built around it, which dont require any sort of micromanagement or advanced controls.

[cockerpunk]

Latsabb, on 06 March 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:

Touch wont provide enough keys, positive feedback, or, frankly, comfortable positions. On top of that, touch requires you to block your view with your hands as you operate the controls. Touch will never be for actual gamers. It is for casual games such as Angry Birds and stuff, or games specifically built around it, which dont require any sort of micromanagement or advanced controls.

false

just wait .... just wait ... the only reason keyboard and mouse are the current preferred input devices is because of 30 years of figuring out how to make then work, and 30 years of gamers who have grown up with them. they are mere stopgap controls compared to true intuitive motion/touch systems.

[Latsabb]

Coming from a person that uses touch for all of his computers other than his home desktop (my Transformer, my Zenbook, my Vaio, as well as my work computer) I can tell you that it isnt us not being used to them. Where are you going to put 30 hotkeys on a touchscreen? Not to mention a virtual keyboard on top of that. And like I said, it takes up viewing area not only with the activation spots, but also with your hands being in the way. Those impulse/eye movement detectors ("mind readers") will catch up to general/hardcore gamers WAY before touch. Touch either needs to be on a different surface than what you are viewing (effectively removing the point, since you could just stick to mouse and keyboard) or it is a massive liability.

[Nobben #44]

You both got a point there. But honestly, I'd have to go with Adam on that one.

Touch is a little bit bad for gaming becuase of it's very nature, you have to touch the screen you are looking at.

[cockerpunk]

Latsabb, on 06 March 2013 - 04:11 PM, said:

Coming from a person that uses touch for all of his computers other than his home desktop (my Transformer, my Zenbook, my Vaio, as well as my work computer) I can tell you that it isnt us not being used to them. Where are you going to put 30 hotkeys on a touchscreen? Not to mention a virtual keyboard on top of that. And like I said, it takes up viewing area not only with the activation spots, but also with your hands being in the way. Those impulse/eye movement detectors ("mind readers") will catch up to general/hardcore gamers WAY before touch. Touch either needs to be on a different surface than what you are viewing (effectively removing the point, since you could just stick to mouse and keyboard) or it is a massive liability.

i said touch, not touchscreen ...

[TK-421]

Nobben #44, on 06 March 2013 - 02:41 PM, said:

I've had Windows 8 for quite a while now. Everything, and I mean everything that worked on Windows 7 works in Win8. Games, programs and steam, all work perfectly.
Actually, more stuff is working as I have less compatabillity issues.

When I had Windows 8, which I did from halfway through December to about last week, Steam would work, but the games wouldn't. And my video card wouldn't work, and my printer wouldn't work, and there wasn't a start menu, and I hated the live tiles. Now that I have windows 7, my games work great on Steam, my printer prints, I have my start menu back, and I'm all happy again.

[REDCOBRA]

http://www.razerzone...zer-edge-pro/#4
Razer made a touch screen gaming tablet but even they know that the idea of touch screen games on pc is stupid so they attached peripherals to it...

[Lime]

cockerpunk, on 06 March 2013 - 06:42 PM, said:

Latsabb, on 06 March 2013 - 04:11 PM, said:

Coming from a person that uses touch for all of his computers other than his home desktop (my Transformer, my Zenbook, my Vaio, as well as my work computer) I can tell you that it isnt us not being used to them. Where are you going to put 30 hotkeys on a touchscreen? Not to mention a virtual keyboard on top of that. And like I said, it takes up viewing area not only with the activation spots, but also with your hands being in the way. Those impulse/eye movement detectors ("mind readers") will catch up to general/hardcore gamers WAY before touch. Touch either needs to be on a different surface than what you are viewing (effectively removing the point, since you could just stick to mouse and keyboard) or it is a massive liability.

i said touch, not touchscreen ...

If I am understanding this correctly, you are thinking more of like a virtual keyboard and mouse type thing on your desk? Although it does sound like an interesting proposition, it would still would be less preferred to more tactile accessories better suited to the most important tasks.

Unless I am understanding you wrong, in which case blargh.

[cockerpunk]

Lime, on 06 March 2013 - 07:56 PM, said:

cockerpunk, on 06 March 2013 - 06:42 PM, said:

Latsabb, on 06 March 2013 - 04:11 PM, said:

Coming from a person that uses touch for all of his computers other than his home desktop (my Transformer, my Zenbook, my Vaio, as well as my work computer) I can tell you that it isnt us not being used to them. Where are you going to put 30 hotkeys on a touchscreen? Not to mention a virtual keyboard on top of that. And like I said, it takes up viewing area not only with the activation spots, but also with your hands being in the way. Those impulse/eye movement detectors ("mind readers") will catch up to general/hardcore gamers WAY before touch. Touch either needs to be on a different surface than what you are viewing (effectively removing the point, since you could just stick to mouse and keyboard) or it is a massive liability.

i said touch, not touchscreen ...

If I am understanding this correctly, you are thinking more of like a virtual keyboard and mouse type thing on your desk? Although it does sound like an interesting proposition, it would still would be less preferred to more tactile accessories better suited to the most important tasks.

Unless I am understanding you wrong, in which case blargh.

yeah you are not really using your creative juices, still trapped in the mouse/keyboard world. think of what touch and motion could allow you to do .....

[TechPB-Mike]

fuck tablet software

tablets are consumption devices. They "consume" what it already on the internet

If you want to "Create" things on the internet, or create ANYTHING, tablet software is dogshit


tablet software sucks

[Soldier of Fortune]

cockerpunk, on 06 March 2013 - 09:22 PM, said:

Lime, on 06 March 2013 - 07:56 PM, said:

cockerpunk, on 06 March 2013 - 06:42 PM, said:

Latsabb, on 06 March 2013 - 04:11 PM, said:

Coming from a person that uses touch for all of his computers other than his home desktop (my Transformer, my Zenbook, my Vaio, as well as my work computer) I can tell you that it isnt us not being used to them. Where are you going to put 30 hotkeys on a touchscreen? Not to mention a virtual keyboard on top of that. And like I said, it takes up viewing area not only with the activation spots, but also with your hands being in the way. Those impulse/eye movement detectors ("mind readers") will catch up to general/hardcore gamers WAY before touch. Touch either needs to be on a different surface than what you are viewing (effectively removing the point, since you could just stick to mouse and keyboard) or it is a massive liability.

i said touch, not touchscreen ...

If I am understanding this correctly, you are thinking more of like a virtual keyboard and mouse type thing on your desk? Although it does sound like an interesting proposition, it would still would be less preferred to more tactile accessories better suited to the most important tasks.

Unless I am understanding you wrong, in which case blargh.

yeah you are not really using your creative juices, still trapped in the mouse/keyboard world. think of what touch and motion could allow you to do .....

Easy boys. This is TechPB not PBN no need to stir up a flame war.

[TK-421]

TechPB-Mike, on 06 March 2013 - 10:55 PM, said:

fuck tablet software

tablets are consumption devices. They "consume" what it already on the internet

If you want to "Create" things on the internet, or create ANYTHING, tablet software is dogshit


tablet software sucks

[Latsabb]

cockerpunk, on 06 March 2013 - 09:22 PM, said:

yeah you are not really using your creative juices, still trapped in the mouse/keyboard world. think of what touch and motion could allow you to do .....

Touch allows gestures and stuff, but they wont be as accurate or fast as what we currently use. Sure, with a secondary touch surface, you could program tons of small movements, but you cant execute them as fast as you could with a keyboard. The hand and arm will also fatigue faster with the larger movements. Think of it as typing out numbers with the numbers above the letters on your keyboard, versus the keypad. You can get good, and quick with the normal keyboard ones, but you will never outdo the keypad because less movement is involved.

[dsk]

Everyone bookmark this, in 10 years we will return and see who was right

[slinkyaroo]

Windows 8 was design to integrate Microsoft devices. Microsoft needed something because they died in tablet and mobile phones. Microsoft store was doing nothing. Apple became the number 1 Fortune 500 for a reason.

[Lotus]

Windows 8 is exactly what I was hoping for. I am a big fan. I currently have it installed on my home computer after using it on my work computer for months.

Plus it means I can get an atom based "tablet" and basically have a full notebook once I buy a keyboard attachment. All for the price of an iPad. Or, more appropriately, I can tell my MOM to get an Atom based tablet so she doesn't have to learn anything new and/or confusing.

[Nobben #44]

Soldier of Fortune, on 06 March 2013 - 11:39 PM, said:

cockerpunk, on 06 March 2013 - 09:22 PM, said:

Lime, on 06 March 2013 - 07:56 PM, said:

cockerpunk, on 06 March 2013 - 06:42 PM, said:

Latsabb, on 06 March 2013 - 04:11 PM, said:

Coming from a person that uses touch for all of his computers other than his home desktop (my Transformer, my Zenbook, my Vaio, as well as my work computer) I can tell you that it isnt us not being used to them. Where are you going to put 30 hotkeys on a touchscreen? Not to mention a virtual keyboard on top of that. And like I said, it takes up viewing area not only with the activation spots, but also with your hands being in the way. Those impulse/eye movement detectors ("mind readers") will catch up to general/hardcore gamers WAY before touch. Touch either needs to be on a different surface than what you are viewing (effectively removing the point, since you could just stick to mouse and keyboard) or it is a massive liability.

i said touch, not touchscreen ...

If I am understanding this correctly, you are thinking more of like a virtual keyboard and mouse type thing on your desk? Although it does sound like an interesting proposition, it would still would be less preferred to more tactile accessories better suited to the most important tasks.

Unless I am understanding you wrong, in which case blargh.

yeah you are not really using your creative juices, still trapped in the mouse/keyboard world. think of what touch and motion could allow you to do .....

Easy boys. This is TechPB not PBN no need to stir up a flame war.

This is TechPB yes and that seems like a normal TechPB discussion.

TK-421, on 06 March 2013 - 07:00 PM, said:

Nobben #44, on 06 March 2013 - 02:41 PM, said:

I've had Windows 8 for quite a while now. Everything, and I mean everything that worked on Windows 7 works in Win8. Games, programs and steam, all work perfectly.
Actually, more stuff is working as I have less compatabillity issues.

When I had Windows 8, which I did from halfway through December to about last week, Steam would work, but the games wouldn't. And my video card wouldn't work, and my printer wouldn't work, and there wasn't a start menu, and I hated the live tiles. Now that I have windows 7, my games work great on Steam, my printer prints, I have my start menu back, and I'm all happy again.

Everything has been working for me since November last year. And I play games, a lot, and use several video/photo editing programs and livestreaming programs all day long.

Never had an issue that Windows 7 didn't have.

This post has been edited by Nobben #44: 07 March 2013 - 03:52 PM