[Troy]

brycelarson, on Aug 22 2009, 06:58 PM, said:

Kitty, on Aug 22 2009, 06:52 PM, said:

I am gonna have one of the new Myths sent to Bryce and Gordon next week..
Lets see if that ones any better

coolio. It's a pretty easy test - so gathering another set of regs wouldn't be too bad.

Please do, and don't be shy about repeating regs that you've already tested, I would like to see if there is deviation from reg to reg. As Lament mentioned, UV Halo mentioned and I mentioned earlier more regs=good.

P.S. I'm trying not to be an armchair tester and just throwing out criticisms, but somebody has to keep you guys honest .

[brycelarson]

Troy, on Aug 25 2009, 06:59 AM, said:

P.S. I'm trying not to be an armchair tester and just throwing out criticisms, but somebody has to keep you guys honest .

we know - there are more personal attacks from the guys we don't appreciate. Actual constructive criticism is always welcome.

[BarelyBen]

this vid is terribly bias these guys are sponsored by ninja

Look here it says so:
http://www.youtube.c...kworkspaintball

Do they pay you to make vids like this?

[cockerpunk]

BarelyBen, on Aug 27 2009, 07:53 AM, said:

this vid is terribly bias these guys are sponsored by ninja

Look here it says so:
http://www.youtube.c...kworkspaintball

Do they pay you to make vids like this?

you do know that is us right?

after a conversation with Dan from GA we are getting some brand spanking' new GA regs to test. Dan assures us the reg we had was defective.

both a new myth and a G2 myth.

ninja gave us a reg to test, which we later gave away as a prize in the lanning test, if you watch that video. now GA is doing the same thing. as per out own rules, we cannot accept products to test and then profit from that testing. if you take a look at the stickies, you would see that. we also specifically avoid the word "sponsored" becuase the only people who sponsor us is mike, willie and the techpb crew. companies do not sponsor us.

This post has been edited by cockerpunk: 27 August 2009 - 08:01 AM

[brycelarson]

yup, they're embarrassed by the vid - but like CockerPunk said, they think it was a defective reg and a new one is on the way.

[Lament]

CP, I think that BarelyBen is saying that you guys are sponsored by Ninja, since your Youtube page says that. But, it also says that you are sponsored by Guerrilla Air. Eh, not a big deal to me, since you are sponsored by them, per your Youtube page, and yet I have seen you lambast GA many times, even saying that their quality control is crap, as well as the regs themselves are garbage. Personally, I think that you have a bias against them, but no biggie to me anymore.

I am hoping today to do some similar type of testing, without the more expensive large faced, liquid filled gauges that you guys have.

[cockerpunk]

Lament, on Aug 27 2009, 09:13 AM, said:

CP, I think that BarelyBen is saying that you guys are sponsored by Ninja, since your Youtube page says that. But, it also says that you are sponsored by Guerrilla Air. Eh, not a big deal to me, since you are sponsored by them, per your Youtube page, and yet I have seen you lambast GA many times, even saying that their quality control is crap, as well as the regs themselves are garbage. Personally, I think that you have a bias against them, but no biggie to me anymore.

I am hoping today to do some similar type of testing, without the more expensive large faced, liquid filled gauges that you guys have.

only reporting the data. the myth reg we tested was terrible, and there isn't really any debate there. that reg did terrible.

please note, you youtube page says "supported by" not "sponsored by"

no one sponsors punkworks besides techpb. if manufactures send us equipment to test, they go on that list. if they want us to test something against some other brand, then we are forced to give away the donated product to avoid bias or conflict of interest.

This post has been edited by cockerpunk: 27 August 2009 - 09:19 AM

[brycelarson]

yup, it's a fine line - but we're supported by companies. We have no agreements and if we're going to do a head to head test (like this reg test) then we either buy the items to test - or we give away / return any donated items.

We want to remain impartial. You've seen the video of that Myth reg - right? Now, the guys at Gorilla tell me that we had a bum reg - so we're going to re-test that reg. All of the other regs in the test were either purchased by us or donated and returned.

We don't have any free stuff from ninja. Many companies have helped us out - and we want to thank them for that - which is why we say that we're supported by these companies.

[sruli1974]

I am a little confused....not to criticize or anything, but you are running tests on regs, some of them brand spanking new from the factory and others that are sent to you after who knows how much wear and tear? Doesn't seem like a fair comparison or test parameters to me. In order to do a comparison test you would need all the components to be starting at the same level (brand new would make sense since it is hard to match up exactly wear and tear regs).

[Lament]

My apologies guys, you are correct, supported by. I admit in my haste to misreading the about me stuff.

[brycelarson]

Lament, on Aug 27 2009, 10:48 AM, said:

My apologies guys, you are correct, supported by. I admit in my haste to misreading the about me stuff.

no, it's a fine line - and we're always looking for a way to make the distinction more clear. what wording would you suggest?

[Spitlebug]

sruli1974, on Aug 27 2009, 08:40 AM, said:

I am a little confused....not to criticize or anything, but you are running tests on regs, some of them brand spanking new from the factory and others that are sent to you after who knows how much wear and tear? Doesn't seem like a fair comparison or test parameters to me. In order to do a comparison test you would need all the components to be starting at the same level (brand new would make sense since it is hard to match up exactly wear and tear regs).

That's completely fair within the bounds of financial concerns and also a cross section of what the average player will use. The market for used paintball gear (particularly tanks) is huge. If you note that all tanks were stripped down and cleaned/relubed before testing.

You guys should have a supported by "That Crazy Canadian Guy...." on there.

P.S. I just bought a Tshirt.

[cockerpunk]

sruli1974, on Aug 27 2009, 10:40 AM, said:

I am a little confused....not to criticize or anything, but you are running tests on regs, some of them brand spanking new from the factory and others that are sent to you after who knows how much wear and tear? Doesn't seem like a fair comparison or test parameters to me. In order to do a comparison test you would need all the components to be starting at the same level (brand new would make sense since it is hard to match up exactly wear and tear regs).

i used the ninja tank for 2 days of play before we tested it. so it was not brand new, it was used somewhat.

ill agree that is an issue, however, its just out of our control. the only way this could work is to ask each manufacturer to send a us a reg they think will represent them best. be that "worn in" or brand new.

we did the best we could. my thoughts are that a clean reg is always gonna be better then a "worn in" but dirty reg.

i put "worn in" in quotes becuase there really is no definition for that word.

Spitlebug, on Aug 27 2009, 10:50 AM, said:

sruli1974, on Aug 27 2009, 08:40 AM, said:

I am a little confused....not to criticize or anything, but you are running tests on regs, some of them brand spanking new from the factory and others that are sent to you after who knows how much wear and tear? Doesn't seem like a fair comparison or test parameters to me. In order to do a comparison test you would need all the components to be starting at the same level (brand new would make sense since it is hard to match up exactly wear and tear regs).

That's completely fair within the bounds of financial concerns and also a cross section of what the average player will use. The market for used paintball gear (particularly tanks) is huge. If you note that all tanks were stripped down and cleaned/relubed before testing.

You guys should have a supported by "That Crazy Canadian Guy...." on there.

P.S. I just bought a Tshirt.

alright .. just for you ..

This post has been edited by cockerpunk: 27 August 2009 - 10:56 AM

[Lament]

brycelarson, on Aug 27 2009, 08:50 AM, said:

Lament, on Aug 27 2009, 10:48 AM, said:

My apologies guys, you are correct, supported by. I admit in my haste to misreading the about me stuff.

no, it's a fine line - and we're always looking for a way to make the distinction more clear. what wording would you suggest?

Why put anything about your being supported at all? You have said many times that you are only actually sponsored by Tech PB, so leave it at that. You can always mention, in your video and in the area below the video, who supported the test and such that you are doing, and how so. It can be a bit confusing, and my mistake, along with the other persons, are logical.

Spitlebug, on Aug 27 2009, 08:50 AM, said:

sruli1974, on Aug 27 2009, 08:40 AM, said:

I am a little confused....not to criticize or anything, but you are running tests on regs, some of them brand spanking new from the factory and others that are sent to you after who knows how much wear and tear? Doesn't seem like a fair comparison or test parameters to me. In order to do a comparison test you would need all the components to be starting at the same level (brand new would make sense since it is hard to match up exactly wear and tear regs).

That's completely fair within the bounds of financial concerns and also a cross section of what the average player will use. The market for used paintball gear (particularly tanks) is huge. If you note that all tanks were stripped down and cleaned/relubed before testing.

You guys should have a supported by "That Crazy Canadian Guy...." on there.

P.S. I just bought a Tshirt.

Actually, if you look back on the second page, you will notice that the Ninja was not stripped down or anything. It had a couple of cases through it (Relatively speaking).

[cockerpunk]

no, i cleaned the ninja too.

[sruli1974]

You make some good points but in response: yes, if you want to do fair testing you need to contact every manufacturer for a new sample. As a GA rep I can tell you that we were not contacted at all. So it didn't even give us a fair chance to get you a new reg before you did your test.

Any other way would be like comparing a 1990 Cadillac to a 2009 Toyota Corolla but claiming: I did drive the Corolla around the block a few times before my comparison analysis...

And if for some reason the manufacturers don't want to send you a sample for testing, then a disclaimer should be made on any video and test data posted about the conditions of the regs (new/old/used etc.). The way it is set up now that is certainly not the impression you are giving.

I just want to clarify that I am not accusing you of being biased, I am just saying that it appears in your haste to do these tests and get these videos out, some important elements and factors were left out. I guess we will see if any disclaimers or corrections are made….

[cockerpunk]

sruli1974, on Aug 27 2009, 11:07 AM, said:

You make some good points but in response: yes, if you want to do fair testing you need to contact every manufacturer for a new sample. As a GA rep I can tell you that we were not contacted at all. So it didn't even give us a fair chance to get you a new reg before you did your test.

Any other way would be like comparing a 1990 Cadillac to a 2009 Toyota Corolla but claiming: I did drive the Corolla around the block a few times before my comparison analysis...

And if for some reason the manufacturers don't want to send you a sample for testing, then a disclaimer should be made on any video and test data posted about the conditions of the regs (new/old/used etc.). The way it is set up now that is certainly not the impression you are giving.

I just want to clarify that I am not accusing you of being biased, I am just saying that it appears in your haste to do these tests and get these videos out, some important elements and factors were left out. I guess we will see if any disclaimers or corrections are made….

good suggestions. we will take them into account when we can.

as great as connections and interactions with the industry are, they also bring with it claims of bias and all sorts of ass hattery. as such, i try not to get anything we test from the industry. if we can buy it or barrow it, that is infinitely better then dealing with getting rid of it without profiting. my goal would to not have to get anything from the industry directly, but from other consumers.

we got the ninja reg at LL, i used it on my tank for a while, cleaned them all, then we gave it away for the laning test rewards. that is the limit of our "sponsorship" with ninja. i think its a fair test for sure. the new GA reg i am excited to test.

[Slider993]

Um I don't really understand this but I'm taking it that the output pressure is supposed to go lower right? Or is it supposed to go higher?

Thanks
Slider

PS: I've only been playing paintball for 6 months. This is one of the things I'm still trying to get a grasp on.

This post has been edited by Slider993: 27 August 2009 - 11:23 AM

[Tcheno]

I wonder what the performance/result of these regs (presets) against popular inline regs would be?
Like, since you are regulating pressure on 2 different stages/points (preset + inline reg) what would be the final results (on gun performance)? And do they have impact in terms of a spool vs poppet?

Also, can't wait to see the new GA results

This post has been edited by Tcheno: 27 August 2009 - 11:42 AM

[cockerpunk]

if anyone here has a PBN account in good standing, i would ask that someone either quote, or summarize the statements me and bryce have made about "sponsorship" and "support"

im not asking you to go to bat for us, but im tired of looking at it.