[Warwitch]

Hi everyone. Chace from AO asked me to post up a rundown of my latest project here. Ill try to abbreviate/condense a couple different threads to simplify things. Ill be doing an in depth, ongoing review but we will save that for another thread.

I had been kicking around several ideas to make myself a more user friendly woodsball marker for myself. My requirements were very basic. 1: I wanted a side deeding body. 2: Simple design 3: Easy maintenance. After kicking around several cantidates I settled on one of BT's new Mini based TM-15's.

Here is what I started with:

Shown with Sanchez Machine SM1 and w/o flip up sights/hopper adapter.





I knew form the start that I wanted to shorten the foreguard. So I took the front down to the second internal body baffle. I used a fine metal hacksaw and mitre box for the rough cuts. Then I bolted the clamshells together and dressed the end nice and square/smooth with a flat file. The detail areas around the picatinny I did with a needle file. A quick buff with some 400 grit wet sand and it read to paint.

I used Krylon Fusion CAMO paint. Their camo stuff is really tough and fairly flexible. Much more so than their regular Fusion colors. It also dries really flat. I did very little body prep. A light scuffing with 400 grit and a wipe down with paint thinner (mineral spirits.) Everything got several light coats in either tan, olive drab or dark brown. I painted the rails first. Then masked them off an did the rest of the body. I finished off the detail on the fire modes with some Testors model paint and a toothpick. I used a flat stiff bristle brush for the TM lettering.

So then it was on to the box magazine. This was the reason I wanted a side feeding marker to start with. In an age of force fed hoppers a top loading marker is just dumb. I got the inspiration from Oily's M249 box magazine. Props to him for being the pioneer. I decided to use an Airsoft mag since it would require little modding to fit the mag well on the TM-15. The steel mag took some Dremel work as the retaining slot was off a bit. The interior also too copious amounts of Dremeling to remove all the Airsoft guts and dividers. The plastic its made if is unbelievably tough. I used a couple of 3/4" copper elbows for directing the paint from the chopped Reloader B and into the marker. I used a cut 140 round pod for the feed port. This will eventually be widened at the neck with a speed feed. Epoxy was used for all the bonding work. The last thing to do was mount the board. Having access to it was an issue. So I decided to cut the back off of the Reloader B shell and make an external mount. It plugs in via slot in the back of the mag. Test firing with 6 AA's keeps up with the 10 bps full-auto setting on the TM-15.

So without further ado here is the (semi)finished result:











Here is a pic of the mag internals I took during mock up:

[Stev02112]

Really fucking cool. Drum mags on small guns FTW!

[Chace365]

Hey Warwitch!
Thank you so much for doing this!
Many members were interested in this.
Looks cleaner than the one over on UMS, eh?

[PrometheanFlame]

Warwitch, Deadpool was showing off some of your work and had me drooling all over the place. I hope you don't mind if I copy your general design for a project of my own? It'll basically be the same thing, except mounted on a rail instead of in a mag-well.

If you're interested in making a little coin, I'd be happy to pay you to do it, though...

[Warwitch]

PrometheanFlame, on Aug 23 2009, 12:49 PM, said:

Warwitch, Deadpool was showing off some of your work and had me drooling all over the place. I hope you don't mind if I copy your general design for a project of my own? It'll basically be the same thing, except mounted on a rail instead of in a mag-well.

If you're interested in making a little coin, I'd be happy to pay you to do it, though...

Hey go nuts man! Its actually Oily's original idea, I got it from him. And though I appreciate the offer I doubt Ill be doing another one any time soon. I have a couple more mods in mind for this and the wife only allows me so much tool time.

[Đάłŧŏ&#]

I've been wanting to make a box mag for my A-5 for a while, I just need the cash. Also, what hose did you use to connect the boxmag and marker? and where can I pick some up?

[Warwitch]

Đάłŧŏ&#, on Aug 23 2009, 01:02 PM, said:

I've been wanting to make a box mag for my A-5 for a while, I just need the cash. Also, what hose did you use to connect the boxmag and marker? and where can I pick some up?

Thats AGD Warp feed hose. You can get it at Pro Team Products: <<< Pro Warp feed hose >>>

The stuff is much better than the Q-loader type hose. The Warp hose has a spiral wire that keeps the hose from getting crushed if it takes a hit. It flows paint with much less resistance too.

[PrometheanFlame]

Warwitch, on Aug 23 2009, 11:53 AM, said:

And though I appreciate the offer I doubt Ill be doing another one any time soon. I have a couple more mods in mind for this and the wife only allows me so much tool time.

That's alright, I knew it was a longshot anyways. And for some reason, I thought you were a woman. Awkwaaaarrrrd...

Warwitch, on Aug 23 2009, 12:05 PM, said:

The Warp hose has a spiral wire that keeps the hose from getting crushed if it takes a hit. It flows paint with much less resistance too.

Very good to know. I had been planning to use Warp hose, and was concerned about it being able to take a hit.

[Đάłŧŏ&#]

So can you explain a little more in-depth about the boxmag? (specifically the reloader b part) did you have to hack the bottom peice of the hopper off? or? (yeah, im confizzled)

This post has been edited by Đάłŧŏŋ: 23 August 2009 - 12:14 PM

[U83R 1337]

Do you foresee the mag catch not being able to hold the whole weight of the mag?

This post has been edited by U83R 1337: 23 August 2009 - 12:17 PM

[Chace365]

He already said over on AO that he put some through it alright.
I think.

[Warwitch]

Đάłŧŏ&#, on Aug 23 2009, 01:14 PM, said:

So can you explain a little more in-depth about the boxmag? (specifically the reloader b part) did you have to hack the bottom peice of the hopper off? or? (yeah, im confizzled)

The only thing I did was cut the down spout off the raceway and add the copper elbow. I cut the board mount section off the back of the Reloader shells so I could make a mount. I didnt want the hopper board inside the mag. Its much easier to turn on/off and makes more room inside for paint.

U83R 1337, on Aug 23 2009, 01:17 PM, said:

Do you foresee the mag catch not being able to hold the whole weight of the mag?

It holds everything very securely when fully loaded. The system holds about 175 rounds. Which is ideal for me. Im not a paint slinger. Almost always shoot semi only and I rarely carry more than two pods on the field. My goal for the mag was being able to fit 140 so I could use full size pods. I have a plan to move the batteries outside too so that should add another 50 rounds or so.

Edit: I have run a couple hoppers through the system with no problems. But it will be a bit before I can get more air for further testing and vid.

This post has been edited by Warwitch: 23 August 2009 - 12:34 PM

[Đάłŧŏ&#]

If I was you, I would remove the magwell and put it on some picatinny rails. Then you would be able to hold another like..... 50+ paintballs.

[Chace365]

Đάłŧŏ&#, on Aug 23 2009, 01:36 PM, said:

If I was you, I would remove the magwell and put it on some picatinny rails. Then you would be able to hold another like..... 50+ paintballs.

Dude. The magwell is what's holding the boxmag on.

[Đάłŧŏ&#]

Did I not say mount it on some picatinny rails?

[PrometheanFlame]

Đάłŧŏ&#, on Aug 23 2009, 12:36 PM, said:

If I was you, I would remove the magwell and put it on some picatinny rails. Then you would be able to hold another like..... 50+ paintballs.

That's what I'm planning on doing. Just need to find the appropriate rail hardware to secure the plastic.

Something like this,



but maybe a little cheaper than fifty freakin' bucks. I'm trying to keep my total project budget under a hundred bucks. The airsoft ammo box will cost me around $30, and if I can grab a Reloader B used that'll probably be another $40 or so.

This post has been edited by PrometheanFlame: 23 August 2009 - 02:04 PM

[Warwitch]

Đάłŧŏ&#, on Aug 23 2009, 01:36 PM, said:

If I was you, I would remove the magwell and put it on some picatinny rails. Then you would be able to hold another like..... 50+ paintballs.

Moving it forward wouldnt give me the clearance to reach around the mag.

[PrometheanFlame]

Warwitch, on Aug 23 2009, 02:04 PM, said:

Moving it forward wouldnt give me the clearance to reach around the mag.

I think he meant cutting the mag-well off the gun itself and extending the foregrip rails back where it used to be. The loader would then mount there.

[spankopotomous=paintball]

OMG that is one of the best looking mil-sim guns I have ever seen

AWESOME JOB

[Gibbs]

wow, that looks so badass