[bigfoot]

first of all no kids should be going behind their parents back to buy paintball guns. most of the kids and adults i know have or had permission to do this. its just like school sports, if you want to play football for your school team you need a permission slip. and i don't think we should let young kids buy these guns without a parent there anyway.

the whole FID card thing isn't all bad either, yes some guys under 21 it will hamper, but it will teach people about safety aspects and laws pertaining to that. all hunters have to do it.

?No person shall discharge a BB shot, pellet or other object from an air rifle or BB, pellet or paintball gun into, from or across any street, alley, public way or railroad or railroad right of way. Whoever violates this section shall be punished by a fine of not more than two hundred and fifty dollars and the gun may be confiscated"

i think this is the main point of the bill, is to have some sort of actual crime on the books for kids doing this

[JakeThePhotographer]

Thousands of amendments and bills are proposed to Senate and the House of Representatives and only a few are passed. Most are rejected by Congressional Committees. You don't have anything to worry about...yet.

This post has been edited by JakeThePhotographer: 17 November 2009 - 12:00 PM

[paintballgpimp489]

bigfoot, on 17 November 2009 - 11:50 AM, said:

first of all no kids should be going behind their parents back to buy paintball guns. most of the kids and adults i know have or had permission to do this. its just like school sports, if you want to play football for your school team you need a permission slip. and i don't think we should let young kids buy these guns without a parent there anyway.

the whole FID card thing isn't all bad either, yes some guys under 21 it will hamper, but it will teach people about safety aspects and laws pertaining to that. all hunters have to do it.

?No person shall discharge a BB shot, pellet or other object from an air rifle or BB, pellet or paintball gun into, from or across any street, alley, public way or railroad or railroad right of way. Whoever violates this section shall be punished by a fine of not more than two hundred and fifty dollars and the gun may be confiscated"

i think this is the main point of the bill, is to have some sort of actual crime on the books for kids doing this

The thing is their are alredy laws that punish those acts, its called assault ....... why should the rest of us be punished for that?

[Iram]

Now that we have the text, S-967 seems reasonable; S-1001 is a bit overboard.

I'm against requiring licenses for guns in general, but needing an FID for a paintball gun is just nuts. I'm not sure what the actual requirements for an FID are, but my LTC cost me $210 initially to get, and tool 4 months to process the paperwork.

Punishment of a $100 fine and confiscation isn't that bad. No jail time involved. Compared to some of MA's gun laws, that seems pretty reasonable. If you get caught with a firearm/rifle/shotgun without a license, you're looking at a MANDATORY 1-5 years in jail; $100 and confiscation for missuse of paintball gear doesn't seem bad.

I would like to see S-967 modified so that a non-violent mistake (a 16 year old driving to the field with his new Ego in the trunk) could result in a fine, but have the marker returned to the the kid's legal guardian instead of being disposed of by the state police.

You can contact members of the MA senate by email if anyone is interested. Their email addresses are at http://www.mass.gov/legis/memmenus.htm

This post has been edited by Iram: 17 November 2009 - 06:37 PM

[murk_da_mask]

bigfoot, on 17 November 2009 - 11:50 AM, said:

first of all no kids should be going behind their parents back to buy paintball guns. most of the kids and adults i know have or had permission to do this. its just like school sports, if you want to play football for your school team you need a permission slip. and i don't think we should let young kids buy these guns without a parent there anyway.

the whole FID card thing isn't all bad either, yes some guys under 21 it will hamper, but it will teach people about safety aspects and laws pertaining to that. all hunters have to do it.

?No person shall discharge a BB shot, pellet or other object from an air rifle or BB, pellet or paintball gun into, from or across any street, alley, public way or railroad or railroad right of way. Whoever violates this section shall be punished by a fine of not more than two hundred and fifty dollars and the gun may be confiscated"

i think this is the main point of the bill, is to have some sort of actual crime on the books for kids doing this

i just personally dont belive that in order for someone to play paintball with their own equipment they need an adult's permission to buy it especially if they earned the money for it because already like 90% of the non paintballing community looks at paintball as a waste of money thus if needing parental condsideration theres a chance that the money the kid saved up for an EGO will go into somethin lame or even gets taken by the parents for their own whims...

the whole FID card thing is rediculous...yes there are saftey issues with paintballing and yes they should learn saftely aspects but comparing a paintballer to a hunter is saying that the paintball marker is a firearm...totally unrelated (given that a paintball marker should be treated as such...we really shouldnt be letting the government tell us how to do it)

i belive that yes there should def be a consequence for shooting into public area should also be punishable by fine and to also take away the gun is reasonable but not to the point where you have surrendured it over to the police and can never get it back

and your football metaphor doesnt make sense to me...youre talkin about buying gear...and playing football
you can play football without gear...and you can buy gear without playing paintball


i just think that if you start agreeing with a politican on their outlooks on paintball...you are forgetting what it means to live the hardships of being a paintballer
paintball has far too many things goin wrong for it right now for us to give any politican an inch

[bigfoot]

murk_da_mask, on 17 November 2009 - 09:38 PM, said:

i just personally dont belive that in order for someone to play paintball with their own equipment they need an adult's permission to buy it especially if they earned the money for it because already like 90% of the non paintballing community looks at paintball as a waste of money thus if needing parental condsideration theres a chance that the money the kid saved up for an EGO will go into somethin lame or even gets taken by the parents for their own whims...

the whole FID card thing is rediculous...yes there are saftey issues with paintballing and yes they should learn saftely aspects but comparing a paintballer to a hunter is saying that the paintball marker is a firearm...totally unrelated (given that a paintball marker should be treated as such...we really shouldnt be letting the government tell us how to do it)

i belive that yes there should def be a consequence for shooting into public area should also be punishable by fine and to also take away the gun is reasonable but not to the point where you have surrendured it over to the police and can never get it back

and your football metaphor doesnt make sense to me...youre talkin about buying gear...and playing football
you can play football without gear...and you can buy gear without playing paintball


i just think that if you start agreeing with a politican on their outlooks on paintball...you are forgetting what it means to live the hardships of being a paintballer
paintball has far too many things goin wrong for it right now for us to give any politican an inch

My point is a person under the age of 18 can't really Hide the fact that he or she plays paintball from their parents, remember that is what the terminology of the bill says, if you are under 18 you need a parent to be there. the same go's for playing at a field, Most fields require an adult to sign a waiver, just like in school sports or field trips. Just as i had to when i was younger, i had to teach my parents what paintball was and educate them to allow me to play. im sorry but i dont see the point in a 14yo with an ego, does a novice really NEED a marker like that?(but that is my opinion). if a minor has his parents take money away from him or her for their own whim then they have more important things to dealwith than paintball.

at least in the state of massachusetts you need a Hunter education class, and FID card to hunt and purchase firearms. this serves 2 purposes. One is very obvious to generate revenue, as much as i dont like paying for it, i have to as a resident. number 2 is it teaches you the rules of this state, that way if I am out hunting illegally or shooting illegally i cannot say, well i didn't know the laws.

If you are willing to spend 1200+ dollars on a paintball gun, and want to shoot up someones house with it, then its your loss. this is completely detrimental to the sport of paintball and should not be tolerated. but I hope the people who invest that kind of money in the sport have more honor and smarts than to do this and sabotage our sport. remember this part of the law is to reprimand the people who are not using the paintball gun for its intended purpose.

the whole football reference was to point out that as with most school sports/activities a CHILD under the age of 18 participates in usually requires a parental consent form. another good example of this is field trips. yea pickup games are one thing, but just like at a paintball field if you are under 18 a parent has to sign a waiver to let you play on the field.

wouldn't you like to know if your kid is playing paintball. all we need is some parent suing a field owner/store owner/manufacturer for their kid getting injured or killed because they didnt know what their kid was doing. Yes i think the parents should be responsible and make sure their kid is using the proper safety equipment and I DON'T believe the government should have to tell them, but in this day and age where all it takes is one lawsuit its a slippery slope in both directions.

I also agree with being VERY afraid to give an inch for fear they will try to take many miles.

i myself am undecided at the moment on what i believe is the right course of action

[paintballgpimp489]

bigfoot, on 18 November 2009 - 01:53 AM, said:

murk_da_mask, on 17 November 2009 - 09:38 PM, said:

i just personally dont belive that in order for someone to play paintball with their own equipment they need an adult's permission to buy it especially if they earned the money for it because already like 90% of the non paintballing community looks at paintball as a waste of money thus if needing parental condsideration theres a chance that the money the kid saved up for an EGO will go into somethin lame or even gets taken by the parents for their own whims...

the whole FID card thing is rediculous...yes there are saftey issues with paintballing and yes they should learn saftely aspects but comparing a paintballer to a hunter is saying that the paintball marker is a firearm...totally unrelated (given that a paintball marker should be treated as such...we really shouldnt be letting the government tell us how to do it)

i belive that yes there should def be a consequence for shooting into public area should also be punishable by fine and to also take away the gun is reasonable but not to the point where you have surrendured it over to the police and can never get it back

and your football metaphor doesnt make sense to me...youre talkin about buying gear...and playing football
you can play football without gear...and you can buy gear without playing paintball


i just think that if you start agreeing with a politican on their outlooks on paintball...you are forgetting what it means to live the hardships of being a paintballer
paintball has far too many things goin wrong for it right now for us to give any politican an inch

My point is a person under the age of 18 can't really Hide the fact that he or she plays paintball from their parents, remember that is what the terminology of the bill says, if you are under 18 you need a parent to be there. the same go's for playing at a field, Most fields require an adult to sign a waiver, just like in school sports or field trips. Just as i had to when i was younger, i had to teach my parents what paintball was and educate them to allow me to play. im sorry but i dont see the point in a 14yo with an ego, does a novice really NEED a marker like that?(but that is my opinion). if a minor has his parents take money away from him or her for their own whim then they have more important things to dealwith than paintball.

at least in the state of massachusetts you need a Hunter education class, and FID card to hunt and purchase firearms. this serves 2 purposes. One is very obvious to generate revenue, as much as i dont like paying for it, i have to as a resident. number 2 is it teaches you the rules of this state, that way if I am out hunting illegally or shooting illegally i cannot say, well i didn't know the laws.

If you are willing to spend 1200+ dollars on a paintball gun, and want to shoot up someones house with it, then its your loss. this is completely detrimental to the sport of paintball and should not be tolerated. but I hope the people who invest that kind of money in the sport have more honor and smarts than to do this and sabotage our sport. remember this part of the law is to reprimand the people who are not using the paintball gun for its intended purpose.

the whole football reference was to point out that as with most school sports/activities a CHILD under the age of 18 participates in usually requires a parental consent form. another good example of this is field trips. yea pickup games are one thing, but just like at a paintball field if you are under 18 a parent has to sign a waiver to let you play on the field.

wouldn't you like to know if your kid is playing paintball. all we need is some parent suing a field owner/store owner/manufacturer for their kid getting injured or killed because they didnt know what their kid was doing. Yes i think the parents should be responsible and make sure their kid is using the proper safety equipment and I DON'T believe the government should have to tell them, but in this day and age where all it takes is one lawsuit its a slippery slope in both directions.

I also agree with being VERY afraid to give an inch for fear they will try to take many miles.

i myself am undecided at the moment on what i believe is the right course of action

2 Things.. 1) your making it sound like every underage kid with a paintball gun (egos inpeticular) are going around shooting up neighborhoods, when infact its mostly people who dont play the sport other than buying walmart guns.. (not saying there are not people who dont but most people who spend 1200 on a marker dont go around screwing around with it).

2) Any field i have been to has waivor forms that need a parents or gaurdians signature, so i dont really see your football/high school sports analogy....

[TK-421]

paintballgpimp489, on 17 November 2009 - 12:39 PM, said:

bigfoot, on 17 November 2009 - 11:50 AM, said:

first of all no kids should be going behind their parents back to buy paintball guns. most of the kids and adults i know have or had permission to do this. its just like school sports, if you want to play football for your school team you need a permission slip. and i don't think we should let young kids buy these guns without a parent there anyway.

the whole FID card thing isn't all bad either, yes some guys under 21 it will hamper, but it will teach people about safety aspects and laws pertaining to that. all hunters have to do it.

?No person shall discharge a BB shot, pellet or other object from an air rifle or BB, pellet or paintball gun into, from or across any street, alley, public way or railroad or railroad right of way. Whoever violates this section shall be punished by a fine of not more than two hundred and fifty dollars and the gun may be confiscated"

i think this is the main point of the bill, is to have some sort of actual crime on the books for kids doing this

The thing is their are alredy laws that punish those acts, its called assault ....... why should the rest of us be punished for that?

Technically it's battery, not assault. Assault is when you're in fear of receiving a battery. Battery is the actual action of physical contact.

[paintballgpimp489]

TK-421, on 18 November 2009 - 01:48 PM, said:

paintballgpimp489, on 17 November 2009 - 12:39 PM, said:

bigfoot, on 17 November 2009 - 11:50 AM, said:

first of all no kids should be going behind their parents back to buy paintball guns. most of the kids and adults i know have or had permission to do this. its just like school sports, if you want to play football for your school team you need a permission slip. and i don't think we should let young kids buy these guns without a parent there anyway.

the whole FID card thing isn't all bad either, yes some guys under 21 it will hamper, but it will teach people about safety aspects and laws pertaining to that. all hunters have to do it.

?No person shall discharge a BB shot, pellet or other object from an air rifle or BB, pellet or paintball gun into, from or across any street, alley, public way or railroad or railroad right of way. Whoever violates this section shall be punished by a fine of not more than two hundred and fifty dollars and the gun may be confiscated"

i think this is the main point of the bill, is to have some sort of actual crime on the books for kids doing this

The thing is their are alredy laws that punish those acts, its called assault ....... why should the rest of us be punished for that?

Technically it's battery, not assault. Assault is when you're in fear of receiving a battery. Battery is the actual action of physical contact.

okay either way (usually the 2 go hand and hand) their are still laws in place that punish it...

[bigfoot]

paintballgpimp489, on 18 November 2009 - 01:04 PM, said:

2 Things.. 1) your making it sound like every underage kid with a paintball gun (egos inpeticular) are going around shooting up neighborhoods, when infact its mostly people who dont play the sport other than buying walmart guns.. (not saying there are not people who dont but most people who spend 1200 on a marker dont go around screwing around with it).

2) Any field i have been to has waivor forms that need a parents or gaurdians signature, so i dont really see your football/high school sports analogy....

my response is to what he was saying, He was saying that he doesn't see the point in having a parent there when you go to purchase a paintball gun. i was just trying to get the point across that for most minors they need some sort of parental consent to partake in such activities. So the kid can go buy a marker without his parent but still needs the parent to sign a waiver for him to play. its the same thing basically.

and in his statements he brought up the fact that a minor would saveup to buy a ego and because his parents were needed in him going to purchase it they would take away his money and use it for whatever they want instead of letting him buy the ego(insert any marker)

[bigfoot]

paintballgpimp489, on 18 November 2009 - 02:14 PM, said:

okay either way (usually the 2 go hand and hand) their are still laws in place that punish it...

as far as i know there is no law pertaining to shooting up a street sign or railroad car. yea they can try to charge you with vandalism but i don't know what the charge is for it. i think that is what they want to get across in this law. They want to be able to charge people with *using a paintball gun not for its intended purpose* i dunno how else to word it. but that seems like what they want to do.

like i said i still worry about the slippery slope that it could cause by letting this pass

[bigfootpm]

make a patiton (spelling?)

[dhunt91]

um thats already in texas dude

no underage buying a paint gun

parent must sign wavier at fields for under 18 to play and use equipment

its nothing new dude

[Sgt Moose]

I might be bringing back a dead thread, but did this happen? Or is it still in discussion? I really need to know, that would SUCK if they banned paintball.

[pbdude1017]

Basically, this just all means (correct me if I'm wrong):

1. No firing of paintball markers in public. (already something everyone with half a brain should know)
2. Minors cannot shoot paintball markers without adult supervision. (there are refs at paintball fields, so this seems sort of pointless)
3. No selling paintball markers to minors. (this is a policy of most stores anyway)

This seems like it would do nothing at all. However, it might lead MA down the road of restricting paintball marker use even further.

This post has been edited by pbdude1017: 15 December 2009 - 03:37 PM

[TK-421]

pbdude1017, on 15 December 2009 - 03:37 PM, said:

Basically, this just all means (correct me if I'm wrong):

1. No firing of paintball markers in public. (already something everyone with half a brain should know)
2. Minors cannot shoot paintball markers without adult supervision. (there are refs at paintball fields, so this seems sort of pointless)
3. No selling paintball markers to minors. (this is a policy of most stores anyway)

This seems like it would do nothing at all. However, it might lead MA down the road of restricting paintball marker use even further.

The main worry here, if I'm not mistaken, is that this could potentially open up the flood gates for even more legislation restricting paintball.

[Sgt Moose]

Did they discuss this yet?

[pbdude1017]

I hope this never gets passed. It would not be good for any more legislation against paintball in Massachusetts.

This post has been edited by pbdude1017: 15 December 2009 - 08:34 PM

[I♥Paintballing2]

Question hasn't that always been a law that you cant sell a airsoft or paintball gun to someone under the age of 18?

[bigfoot]

TK-421, on 15 December 2009 - 03:52 PM, said:

The main worry here, if I'm not mistaken, is that this could potentially open up the flood gates for even more legislation restricting paintball.

bingo!

i don't mind some of those laws, pertaining to shooting up people or houses. etc. those people should be punished by us and by the government. but i do worry that if we allow them to start regulating it, it will be all downhill from there